FOF #590 - The Hate Bug - 08.14.07
By Fausto Fernós on August 14, 2007 | Share & Save | Link | Print |
One spring morning in Albany NY, art education grad student Erin Davies woke up to find her Volkswagen Beetle vandalized with the words “fAg” and “UR gAy” in red spray paint.
Instead of removing the graffiti, Erin decided to turn the vandalism into a work of public art. She currently drives around the country documenting people’s reactions to the hateful words on her car.
Believe it or not, like Cindy Sheehan, Erin has decided to take a controversial approach to dealing with the circumstances by sacrificing her personal relationships, her job and career in order to rise to the occasion that this event has created. Not everyone is on her side. Some people think it’s in poor taste for her to accept money or sell merchandise in order to fund her trip. Of course these people criticizing her want to be paid for their jobs, but think that activists should do it for free. [FagBug’s MySpace page]
For the most part, Erin has gotten some incredible positive responses from people all around the country. What’s your reaction to seeing this?
Strangely enough, a self-proclaimed graffiti aficionado posted a note with his phone number on her windshield wiper claiming the defacement is a fake. Because the handwriting bears a strong resemblance to the graffiti on the car, Erin and others believe this may be the man who did it. So what did we do? We called him.
Today Erin talks about how this incident has changed her life, the public reaction to her car, why some people don’t believe her story, and beginning to confront the man who may have possibly vandalized her car in the first place.
So it this for real? Are we being taken for a ride?
It’s easy to imagine this as being TOO perfect. The bold red letters against the neutral gray background seem staged to send a strong message against hate speech. Everyone thinks VW Beetles are gay, so why bother writing “UR GAY” on the car anyway?
I personally think she’s saying the truth and I also think the guy we talked to on the phone didn’t do the graffiti either. but you have to admit it’s almost as if the universe is calling forward this woman to become a powerful symbol against hate and intolerance in our country. If you want to, donate some money or buy a FagBug sticker/t-shirt by clicking here.
Click here to see our photos taken with Erin Davies and the FagBug.
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michael says:
August 14, 2007 at 04:09Excellent show! Erin, you are a brave and strong woman! Your fight against hate crimes is so courageous and important for us all. Wishing you all the very best for your quest!
I don´t understand the discussion about the authenticity of this incident. Even if it were not authentic, there are so many hate crimes that are… The impressive and great thing is her taking action (and the risk) and travelling across the country to invoke discussion and awareness.
Enviro-man - Married to #899 says:
August 14, 2007 at 06:05Good Luck Tomorrow morning! How can we find out as soon as they announce that you are the winners of the GLBT award?
patchouli_stink says:
August 14, 2007 at 06:32How dare the alleged spray painter talk down to you Fausto “just a podcast” …. If Ronnie was there that man would have wished he was never born. Thx for what you guys do and Erin I cant wait to steal your documentary off bittorrent
Cliff Dix says:
August 14, 2007 at 07:50Erin is a brave woman to do this. Going cross country exposing the truth that hate crimes happen everywhere. Even the most tolerant of places have idiots living there. Someone vandalized our house when I was a teenager. They smeared mud on our house spelling out, “ Sucks Dicks.” I was so humiliated. I was the first one who saw it and washed it off before my parents or sister ever found out. I also have never told anyone about it until today. I see now how important it is not to hide from this. Do not let them win. This is what gay pride really means!
Joey Sanchez says:
August 14, 2007 at 08:50Erin is my personal hero right now!
One late night in college my roommate walked in late and woke me up and was visibly shaken. Someone had written “Fags Live Here” on our door in huge blue letters. I was very upset and very pissed off because I was at an arts college and felt as if some ignorant straight asshole had infiltrated my positive, life-affirming, gay college experience. After we wiped it off, we heard voices we recognized behind the door say, “Oh shit! They erased it!” They were our old suite mates. That just confirmed it for me. I grabbed my aluminum bat; I threw my cute pajama bottoms on with little high heels on it, and walked down the hallway to our old suite. I confronted the guys swinging my aluminum bat like the crazy latin queen I am and threatening to bust some heads wide open if I even get a whiff of their ignorance. Lord knows I wanted to beat some ass for defacing my door. This fag wasn’t going to put up with that bullshit.
Now, I think I should’ve left that on my door. I still would’ve beat some ass though!
Buzz says:
August 14, 2007 at 09:22Great show today guys/gal!
Erin’s got balls and ain’t afraid to show ‘em!
Proud of ya girl!
Zara says:
August 14, 2007 at 11:49What a great show today! Erin’s great, she’s got guts for chosing to expose this rather than hide it! And surely it’s completely irrelevent whether or not she “made it up” (which I don’t think she has anyway)…because at the end of the day it’s addressing a issue that’s global. I don’t think anyone’s pointing the finger at Albany as a homophobic city at all. Will you update us on what happens with that guy you spoke to? We never did find out his name, did we?! x
Marc Felion says:
August 14, 2007 at 12:01If you can pick five minutes from this episode to showcase on a radio program, which five minutes would you pick? Please indicate the time into the show. THANKS!
ihrtVTmtns says:
August 14, 2007 at 12:05I think it is great that you all called this guy who left the note on Erin’s car. I’ve been wanting to contact him myself. However, I think you should really rethink your perceived abilities to analyze handwriting. You might want to look at the photo again: http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=viewImage&friendID=182707511&albumID=663096&imageID=4334728 — see his “y” with the straight line as opposed to the loopy y of the graffitti? And even though the As are capitalized, they are not the same. It is silly, unfair, and irresponsible to accuse this person of being the one who vandalized Erin’s car.
I’d also like to clarify a statement Erin made on your show. I am one of the Albany-folk whom she refers to when she talk about those back home who are boycotting her. She makes it sound as though we stopped supporting her once she and her gf broke up, implying some causal link between the break-up and the removal of her support. This is inaccurate. Lack of support in Albany had been brewing long before the break-up.
Phi Tau 27 says:
August 14, 2007 at 12:31I just think it’s silly that the dude was upset about Erin’s supposed defaming of the Albany graffiti scene. Talk about trying to reframe a conversation… that’s a classic attempt to quite this loud voice by trying to frame it in a light that makes her efforts seem silly. If he doesn’t agree with her message, he should simply say that he doesn’t like her pro-gay agenda, not try to jab at her with meaningless and ultimately empty arguments.
Superboy says:
August 14, 2007 at 12:32I agree that the guy you guys talked to on the phone seemed NOT to be the guy who would vandalize the car. But leave it up to the police to conduct their investigation and come up to a reasonable conclusion. Did he do it? I personally don’t think so, but then again, I’m not a cop. That’s why we have a legal system and the police, to protect the innocent until proven guilty. He is a suspect, but not because Erin says so, but because the police think so…
That said….
I’m glad that Erin is focusing her energy on talking to people from all walks of life and creating a powerful symbol against hate that we all can rally around.
I think what Erin is doing is fabulous, and the nasty hateful lesbians who expend so much of their energy attacking her personally is awfull. What you have there is JEALOUSY, pure and simple. What is Erin getting out of this? What is she sacrificing? If she wanted to make money she would get a job doing something that pays well. Is she getting validation yes, but I’m sure she’s bearing the brunt of a lot of hate as well. Don’t give up Erin!
Lazy people are by nature haters because they sit back and blame their problems on someone else and do nothing about it. If these miserable women spent even 1/4 of the energy they did fighting hate instead of inflicting it on others (and themselves as a community) the world would be in a MUCH MUCH better place.
it’s really tragic that a lot of the negativity coming towards Erin is coming directly from her ex-girlfriends friends and her local lesbian community in Albany, who are probably biting their nails in envy. Erin is sacrificing everything just to make the world a better place and increase awareness, and all you are doing is knocking her down. You should seek therapy for your self-hatred.
It is a testament to the genius of Erin and her friends that there are actual lesbians who would have the audacity to create “Stop the bug” sites. When others bash on you, it means you are striking a nerve. Hate comes from all sides, not just straight people.
Boooo on you- yaaay on Erin!!!
Dr. Toussaint says:
August 14, 2007 at 12:51You go honey! Share your story and keep demonstrating that we still have work to do. This was a great show and I hope to one day see you back on the FOF to give us some updates!
Marc Felion says:
August 14, 2007 at 12:52Lack of support in Albany had been brewing long before the break-up.
Can you please give us some insight into why the lack of support had been brewing for a long time.
ihrtVTmtns says:
August 14, 2007 at 13:17Sure, no problem, Marc. The link provided in the above blog entry — this one: http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=70154831&blogID=294472305 — provides a lot of insight from various people in the Albany area. In addition, my 2 pennies worth: Why boycott fagbug? *In theory*, I think that the idea of traveling across the country, opening up dialogue about hate crime is a good thing. I know hate crimes still occur, and I know that lots of people don’t want to admit that and/or look the other way; however I don’t see fagbug as being so much about hate crimes as being about a platform from which Erin can launch some kind of career (as documentary film maker, public speaker, reality TV show “star”, etc.) and profit-making scheme.
I was initially impressed by Erin’s willingness to go public and get active with this, but as I’ve followed closely this whole fagbug idea, what I’ve seen is not so much an act of bravery as someone who is thrilled with the spotlight, who sees herself more as a celebrity than an activist (this I get from her blog).
And speaking of her blog — it is not so much political commentary, which would really focus on fagbug/hate crime awareness as it is about every private detail of Erin’s life, relationship, quest for a TV deal, and so on.
I also think there comes a point in many communities/minority groups when the funds and efforts get so divided up that they become ineffective. I feel the kind of money Erin plans on making (eventually) could go to resources both local and national. Her financial goals seem lucrative: $3/sticker and she wants to sell a million stickers? That is quite a profit, and it doesn’t seem to be going anywhere but in Erin’s pocket. I get that it takes money to make art and raise awareness, and I get that right now Erin is struggling, but I just see this “campaign” as having its sights set on something beyond art and activism.
In addition to the questionable financial aspects of fagbug/Erin, is the question about the effectiveness (or not) of this “campaign.” Is fagbug really fighting hate crimes? Is it actively working to affect legislation? Is it offering support to other forms of hate crimes (those based on race, gender, diability, class, etc.)? Is it even acknowledging the diversity of hate crimes that take place?
I know I am not alone in the Albany area in questioning Erin’s true intentions. This, however, is my take.
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As for all of those people who think that those of us who don’t support fagbug/erin are insanely jealous and wickedly hateful, I can’t speak for the others, but I will say that I will be the first to admit that I wouldn’t want to put my ass on the line and drive across the country in a car that has the word fag sprayed on it. I am fully aware of the fact that Erin is putting a lot of time and energy into this trip. If this alleged act of activism were being done by somebody whom I truly saw as an activist, rather than by somebody as scarily narcissistic and self-involved as Erin, then kudos to that person. Unfortunately, I can’t see Erin as a strong representative of these issues, and that has a lot less to do with jealousy and a lot more to do with her unfocused and questionable approach to this “campaign.”
rick in san diego says:
August 14, 2007 at 13:24I am very proud of Erin, I think she is very courageous! Instead of being shamed, she is shaming those that would do something like this. I hope Fausto and Marc remain in contact with her, maybe getting periodic updates following her road trip, maybe a short call-in once a week or something. I would really like to see her documentary when it is completed.
We create the world we want to live in with the choices we make for ourselves minute to minute. We choose pride over shame, happiness over misery, courage over fear, love over hate. These things don’t come from external sources, but from internal choices. Erin’s choices are making our world a more beautiful place. Even if the only result of this vandal’s actions was to spark the beautiful friendship between Erin and her new “southern mom,” it has added more love to the substance of our world, but we know it has done much more than that. Erin has turned the poison into the cure, or as Miss Ronnie would say, “She flipped that SH!T!”
I went to college, and lived several years, in the Capital District (around Albany) and in my last of seven years in the area I lived in the Lark St. area (arts/entertainment/gay area) of Albany and those are my favorite memories of my entire time there (even if my beautiful apt. was a 4-story walk-up!). Albany is a wonderful town and if you ever find yourself there, be sure to check out the eclectic pubs, clubs, bars, restaurants and coffee shops in the Lark area, the lesbian bagel shop, all the beautiful historic brownstones, the park and it’s Summer festivals, the crazy architecture of the Empire State Plaza – it’s all gorgeous and very walkable. (There really is a parking problem though!)
This kind of thing can happen anywhere, and Albany is not to be faulted for it. Moreover, to Albany’s credit, it has produced the new Erin! Good on Albany! Albany can much more easily be faulted for it’s cold gloomy Winters (Summers are gorgeous), or it’s limited opportunities for young people (but maybe that’s changed).
rick in san diego says:
August 14, 2007 at 13:59In response to ihrtVTmtns, I see where you are coming from, but I think even you might be a bit harsh in your more moderate reaction. Doesn’t everyone have the right to try to earn a living and become successful in their chosen trade? And if that method spreads a message of tolerance at a grass-roots level at the same time, what’s wrong with that? Is that any worse than if she had repainted her car and done like so many other artists, creating a bunch of self-involved art that is being sold in so many galleries for pure profit? Would you fault Marc and Fausto for trying to turn a profit off of Feast of Fools? Would you fault the professionals who take a pay check from HRC, NGLTF or Lambda Legal? Would you fault Cindy Sheehan for becoming a celebrity because of the death of her son? Are people’s efforts only to be respected if they martyr themselves in the process? If everyone attempted to turn a profit off spreading the message of tolerace, would the net effect be so bad?
If the outcome is net positive, then what’s the harm? Maybe we should be asking ourselves what we have done to try to change the world, instead of scrutinizing others’ efforts?
Superboy says:
August 14, 2007 at 15:42So Vermont Mountain lover- activists should not seek out personal gain from their desire to change the world? That’s a messed up idea.
The ONLY reason you hate Erin is because she wants to make a documentary and not crucify herself financially? When have you or any of the people who are organizing against Erin ever put yourselves out there at financial, physical harm or risk for your rights? You don’t even have the guts to tie your name to your opinion on this, instead you hide behind a fake name and profile on MySpace, while Erin stands out there in front of the world protected only by her faith and trust in humanity. I don’t blame you, I do the same thing. I’m in the closet about a lot of things just like you.
Are you this critical about all other lesbian endeavors or are you just bashing your peer because she’s actually ACTING on her activism, doing something? Are you this critical on our current Presidential Administration? Did you start a Stop President Bush MySpace page? I doubt it.
The idea that people who want to create social change should sacrifice themselves comes from our dysfunctional puritanical heritage and needs to stop. We don’t need any more martyrs.
The fact that Rosa Parks died in poverty, a national hero, is a tragedy and shows how far we have to go as a society of embracing the people who drive us forward as a society.
I hope Erin becomes a millionaire from selling her stickers. IF she does, it would motivate many people to stand up and speak their voices against the real injustices in our world. If you think your money would be better spent on other causes, then spend it there. How many CEO’s of advocacy groups, political organizations and lobbies make more than six figures and spend their days drinking champagne and working in air-conditioned offices? Yet you don’t see their jealous lesbian friends creating MySpaces to stop them.
Erin OWES over $5000 in her efforts. She’s not making any money out of this, so far, and is only working her but off for pennies.
Fructose Cornsyrup says:
August 14, 2007 at 15:58Wow, this was such an exciting show! This is EXACTLY why you guys deserve the top podcast award. I got nervous in my seat when Fausto decided to call the man’s number! It was awesome.
Erin is an incredibly courageous person and it makes me feel good to know that there are people like her out there in the world. As not only a big ol’ queen, but also a Volkswagen beetle owner, I’d have to say that I’m pretty inspired to put a huge rainbow sticker on my car. And buy another Feast of Fools t-shirt! Love ya, guys! Great show!
Marc Felion says:
August 14, 2007 at 16:12I got this in an email. I formatted it in several paragraphs out of one large clunky paragraph to make it easier for you read. I hope I did a good job formatting it.
I was given the heads up about your podcast with Erin Davies by a friend of mine, who is also an acquaintance of Erin’s, as are all the other folks that Erin mentioned on your show as being against her. First of all, I was extremely surprised and very disappointed that mine was the only link in your write-up of the podcast. It gives the impression that I am the only one with objections to Erin’s ’cause.’ I would ask that you please post other links, or remove mine, as it gives the impression that I am alone in my objections. There are at least 5 or 6 other folks who have changed their MySpace name to support Erin’s ex girlfriend, who is mentioned repeatedly in Erin’s Fagbug blog, as well as to call for some intelligent, independent thinking.
Erin’s ex politely and kindly asked Erin to remove any mention of her from her blogs, but Erin refused, stating that it was all part of her experience, but what she fails to realize is that she’s violating her ex’s privacy and giving a very skewed impression of her, while making herself out to be the hero/victim of their relationship. This is biased and false and completely beside the point of Erin’s so-called cause, which so far has consisted exclusively of her traveling around the country in her vandalized vehicle and giving everyone a blow by blow account of her experience on her blog, often including completely irrelevant information that does not further her purported intention in any way.
In your podcast, you give the impression that all of us in Albany have created some kind of counter movement to Fagbug. We have not. We are simply asking that before blindly supporting Fagbug, people learn to think critically and examine her intent and actions carefully and objectively before jumping on the bandwagon simply because it is a ‘GLBTQ thing,’ so we HAVE to support it. Erin asked why would she possibly have done this to her own car. The answer is notoriety. Erin is a filmmaker and an artist; this is what she wants to do with her life; this occurrence has worked in her favor; she is simply furthering her career. This is why she has embarked on this ‘crusade.’
Though I cannot and will not say that Erin spray-painted her own car, I am not surprised that others may think so, and if it came to light that she actually did, I would not be surprised in the least. Please keep in mind that this opposition is coming from all LGBTQ folks, people in her own community, people that in some way or another, know her. We know the sorts of things she does not wish to advertise. Erin Davies is simply a filmmaker trying to further her career; nothing more, nothing less. If some good comes of her trip and campaign, I couldn’t be happier, but so far, I see no results besides experiences and footage exclusively for herself and her career. There is no call to action in her campaign, no constructive criticism of the deeply rooted and insidious patriarchal, sexist, racist, homophobic culture we live in or encouragement to contribute to other LGBTQ causes. In addition, Erin’s insinuation or implication that the individual who left her a note implying that she had vandalized her own car could indeed be the one who vandalized it, is unfounded and ridiculous.
I also found your comparisons of her situation to Matthew Shepard’s tragic and untimely death by murder to be completely objectionable and in very poor taste. I myself am gay, have a diversity sticker on my car, and am a very outspoken member of the community who is out and proud to absolutely everyone, and I would want nothing more than to support an authentic LGBTQ cause, but sadly, I cannot give my support to Erin Davies due to her insincere motivations and lack of constructive criticism or solid, substantial call to action.
Eric says:
August 14, 2007 at 16:50Well, I just finished it and I thought it was a nice new interview. I especially like how Fausto and Marc broke character saying how nervous they were after interviewing the note-writer. But in response to the actual grafitiing, I think that the matter of who did it (Erin, or some homophobic person) is now a mute point. It’s all about getting people’s reactions and I think she is doing a good job of that and I wish her well. So either way, whether a clever story to garner reactions or an actual vandalism I think that the good of getting the message of hate crimes out there is still apparent here and warrants people’s support.
rick in san diego says:
August 14, 2007 at 16:51First, even if all of Erin’s critic’s possible claims were true, and the vandalism is a fraud, it still exposes a truth within our society that is real; the reactions and internal conflicts people are forced to examine when confronted by this symbol are real; the lives she is touching, and personal connections she is making with victims are real. I think there is a great proportion of the activist art community that would still support her project as valid even if the original storyline were manufactured. If you think the storyline is manufactured, then just think of it as performance art.
Second, I have been posting on the indicated MySpace board as well, and my comments there are purely a product of reading the posts therein. There is plenty there to criticize without even getting into any possible faults on Erin’s part. I think if you are going to put yourself out there, create a blog, and call yourself “Boycot Fagbug”, you need to be prepared to defend your position without resorting to the defense of, “Well, I’m not the only one.”
Third, I didn’t get the feeling there was any sort of mass indictment on Albany or here ex in the podcast, and if your problem is Erin’s characterization, or mention, of her ex in her blog, then say that. They may be upset about the one thing, and trying to stand up for their frined, the ex, but it really seems like they are piling on in an unwarranted manner with all of the other stuff. If you don’t like the blog, don’t read the frigging blog.
Fourth, complaining about her writing in her blog how many fruit juices she drank? C’mon, just get over it! You know how much stupid, self-involved, pointless crap people put in their blogs, without including a shred of redeeming social value? Please! Some people who read blogs (I don’t read blogs) like that pointless crap because it humanizes the author. Poeple can sit there and say, “Oh, I drink too much fruit juice too!” What-ever.
Fifth, maybe Erin is not as articulate, judicious or focused as you might like, but even if any of these flaws do exist, I thought she was delightful, and inspired a lot of people to be just a bit more brave in their daily lives.
ihrtVTmtns says:
August 14, 2007 at 18:37Here is just one more perspective from on fagbug as fraud — this was written by yet another Albany lesbian who has followed the fagbug story since the incident first occured:
As you may well know, there’s been a great hullaballoo about FagBug both locally and nationally, as Erin Davies drives her car on a cross country trip attempting to “create a dialogue about hate crimes.”
Many have supported this cause, and Erin has been featured on local news, national radio shows, and has had her story told in many LGBT magazines. She has rallied supporters, all of whom believe in the eradication of homophobia, but who do not really know her background, or where her “movement” started.
While I agree that some awareness about hate crimes will come from Erin’s resolve to drive her car around town with epithets on it, I do not think Erin Davies is an activist. I think she is a filmmaker on a quest to extend her fifteen minutes of fame into an hour and fifteen minutes.
I find her blog to be the greatest evidence of the extremely narcissistic and self-important nature of her “cause.” Anyone more concerned with broadcasting their menstruation, the gritty (albeit extremely one-sided) details of her relationship, and what she had for breakfast, is clearly not well-versed enough in any cause (other than her own) to claim that she represents it. While I have found a few gems on her blog (her questioning of a middle school boy who told the teacher his painting looked “gay,” for example), the rest of her incoherent rambling seems a regurgitation of what others have said about her without truly knowing or understanding of the foundations of her cause.
In between self-indulgent pats on the back (comparing herself to great Civil Rights leaders such as MLK and Rosa Parks), and lavish praise for the ways in which she has helped inspire people, Erin, in clumsy prose, devotes much of her blog to self-righteously defending herself in any way that she can against criticism (usually through slanted attacks and unfounded claims that naysayers are doing nothing for the community). Ask yourself, why devote so much time and energy to bashing the rights of others to have their own opinions if you truly believe in yourself and your actions as noble?
Activism is not a business. It is not something to be profited from. Stickers, fundraisers, t-shirts, book deals, and reality TV are not indicative of an activist, truly committed to LGBT work, bur rather someone concerned with advancing only one cause: her own. In my perspective, her willingness and eagerness to profit from this (whether monetarily or simply by basking in the glory of the spotlight) is deplorable, and really cheapens the efforts of other people who are TRULY working for change, with completely altruistic motives.
Comparing herself and her efforts to those of Rosa Parks and Martin Luther King Jr. would be horrific and extremely offensive if it weren’t so laughable.
Erin Davies is a filmmaker seeking to advance her career through television appearances, books deals, national endorsements and the like. As the buzz about her last film has died down, it was time to find new material. And while I will not comfortably comform to the opinion that many have that she spray painted her own car to provide herself with material, I can understand why people might think so.
She has stated that if she profits from all of this in the end, then good for her, she deserves it, she really put herself on the line. And while I agree that driving around with the word fag next to your head cannot be easy, Erin has clearly weighed the benefits and consequences of her actions, with her quest for fame being the determining factor.
I think it’s a shame that someone who is so concerned with kicking off her merchandise has declared herself as a spokesperson for LGBT issues, and I think it’s even more of a shame that people are so terrified to seem unsupportive of LGBT causes that they blindly accept FagBug at face value.
Now’s the time to be critical. To not take everything at face value. I’m not asking to blindly accept my position, but rather judge for yourself. Check out Fag Bug’s Blog and decide for yourself. (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=182707511)
In solidarity for authentic LGBT causes.
Cliff Dix says:
August 14, 2007 at 18:47This has definitely hit a nerve in our community. There is so much hate not only from “straight” people but from our gay brothers and sisters as well. Sometimes it feels like the whole world is against us. Would it be too much to support each other?
ihrtVTmtns says:
August 14, 2007 at 19:14Superboy (not your *real* name, I’m assuming), I appreciate your arguments. I think you make some really strong, sound points.
I am not arguing that activists should live a life poverty or that activists have to be martyrs, and I don’t “hate” Erin. I just think that Erin is masquerading as something she isn’t. Erin is a documentary film maker seeking fame and notoriety. Do I think that artists can’t also be activists? No, of course not. Do I see Michael Moore’s work as making important statements and raising awareness of important issues? Yes, very much so. However, Michael Moore also doesn’t pretend as though the viewing public isn’t amply lining his pockets.
Erin is putting herself out there and risking herself financially because she is interested in a pay-off that includes launching a career. I know many entrepreneurs who take BIG risks like this; however, they are business people, not actvists. And yes, I am aware of many top exec. of non-profits making six-figures and eating over-priced lunches, but that doesn’t mean I am going to advocate that Erin should be the next one of that kind of person, nor am I saying that is where her (or my or yours) money should go.
You are right, I didn’t start a “stop president Bush” myspace page. But I have written many “stop President Bush” letters, and I have been to many “stop President Bush” rallies, and, on a daily basis I dialogue with all kinds of people who have different beliefs and opinions than I do (this includes my family and my students). Maybe my little acts aren’t as big or as well-noticed as Erin’s, but that’s okay with me, at least I don’t claim to be someone or something that I am not.
For anyone who says that it is a moot point as to whether or not Erin did this herself, I completely disagree. If Erin came forward from the start and said this is an art project, an experiment, the kernel of a documentary about hate in America, then I would feel very differently toward fagbug. It is not okay to act under false pretenses and to manipulate people even if the end result is raised awareness of an important issue.
RcktMan says:
August 14, 2007 at 19:46Fausto, Marc, this was another groundbreaking show. Anyone who thinks the Feast of Fools is simply about silliness, jokes and wacky news needs to hear a show like this. You handled the subject with wonderful respect, and your interview with Erin was eye-opening, interesting and enjoyable, all at the same time.
HUGE applause to Erin for standing her ground and remaining true to herself. I wish more of us had the ability to do this, but like she said, most people would want to get it removed and fixed right away, for fear of embarrassment, shame or ridicule.
I think a lot of the negative feedback that Erin is receiving is truly because people feel threatened by a strong response to something like this. It brings out the true colors in some people’s belief systems when these things happen.
Erin, good luck with your journey, and I hope you make all the money you need to with your Fag Bug merchandise. Spread the word that this type of behavior is not tolerated– no matter WHERE it happens. That’s what people need to understand, and that’s exactly what you’re doing. I applaud you.
Fausto Fernós says:
August 14, 2007 at 19:57I agree with Mighty mouse and San Digego rick here I heart vermont— and What are you saying Erin is claiming to be that she’s not? I think Erin is being very clear with what she’s doing and where she is going with all this. What exactly do you not like about Erin? Take a stand! I see your arguments as wishy-washy and full of backhanded insults, not concrete points.
I appreciate you taking the time to comment here, but at the same time it deeply saddens me that you would spend so much time wanting her to “Stop the fagbug.” She is your lesbian sister and you should be wishing her well. I think you can support someone and still question their process, not their motives.
If you dont like HOW she’s raising awareness, then lets talk about that. But ask her to STOP? Why??? Why are you organizing a “Stop the Fagbug” MySpace page? (I’m assuming you are part of the anti-Erin camp)
Do you think she should have the opportunity to make money from this, just like Michael Moore and his films? Yes or no? Are you jealous of her success in getting people and the medias attention? Your ambiguity is just cowardice under the disguise of intellectual curiosity.
What is Erin lying about? What is her “falsehood?” You’re not saying anything concrete here. What would you like to see her do? Go into higher debt as a result of this project and donate the proceeds to some other charity other then her project? If you think FagBug is a bad charity, that is fine, but then you should also be trying to “Stop” all other charities you see as ineffective. All you care about is Erin.
RcktMan says:
August 14, 2007 at 19:58IhrtVtMts, you said in your most recent comment:
In solidarity for authentic LGBT causes.
What part of this cause it not “authentic” to you?
If your toes get deliberately stepped on by someone that hates you, you should fight back.
If you get a brick thrown through your window because someone hates you– fight back!
If you receive hate mail from an anonymous basher, FIGHT BACK!
If you are gay-bashed on the street simply because you’re gay… FIGHT BACK!
If you are denied your rights, like the right to marry or the right to live the life of a free citizen… FIGHT BACK!
How are any of the scenarios any different from someone’s car being spray painted with derogatory statements?
They aren’t.
Therefore… Erin is perfectly within her right to fight back. The method used to fight back doesn’t have to be with violence, or angry protests, or fisticuffs. You do it however you choose, and Erin chose this method.
And frankly, I believe her. Things like this happen all the time, to all different types of people.
I’d be interested to see how you’d react if it happened to you. Not that I wish I would or anything, of course… because nobody deserves to have this happen… but you might be surprised.
Marc Felion says:
August 14, 2007 at 20:02ihrtVTmtns
I’m not sure why you think it is hard to believe that Erin is coming from a good place with this.
she is interested in a pay-off that includes launching a career.
We know Erin makes documentaries so can’t she launch a career and advocate tolerance at the same time? Do you feel that she is is being dishonest about how much money she has collected?
I don’t claim to be someone or something that I am not.
What exactly is Erin claiming to be that she is not?
For anyone who says that it is a moot point as to whether or not Erin did this herself, I completely disagree.
Why do you suspect that she might have done this herself?
Eric says:
August 14, 2007 at 20:24I’d be more comfortable with the whole thing if I found out who really did it. It would have been fine if say, she wanted to do it just for art, and put it on the car herself, and I would be even more supportive of her causeif it was found out to be a hate crime.
The thing that bothers me is the possibility that she lied about it’s origins. I fear that a lie could be extremely detrimental to her cause and may severely backfire on her. As of now the evidence is leaning both ways and to decide now is to just decide on which people you like more;Erin or the-people-who-are-doing-something-else-for-gay-people.
For now, she should not be stopped. I think that she should however publish as soon as possible the truth about what happens; whether if someone confesses or is caught or if she herself admits that she did it. This way it’ll be easier to garner support. Like on CSI the evidence should tell the story and confirm her veracity.
And the argument for her lying: the lack of other anti-gay messages in a gay friendly community, this being only a one time incidence it seems quite rare, to just HAPPEN to someone who likes making documentaries.
The argument for her telling the truth: some people are just pricks, as people who don’t agree with what i have said will no doubt think i am. : )
Marc Felion says:
August 14, 2007 at 20:41I met with Erin and spent the afternoon with her. I believe I am a good judge of character and I feel as though she did NOT spray paint the hate message herself. This kind of graffiti happens ALL the time. This time, the homophobes picked the wrong girl.
I think it is also important to reiterate that Erin’s documentary, unlike her blog, is documenting OTHER people’s reaction to the the hate message on her bug. The documentary is not focusing on her but rather on the people who read and react to the message.
Fructose Cornsyrup says:
August 14, 2007 at 22:17Great point, Marc. I have to say I feel a little bit disappointed because it seems that, while Erin is bringing attention to the GLBT cause by driving around the country, there are so many gay people questioning her and doubting her authenticity. To me, that speaks negatively about us as a whole. How can we expect to be given rights and recognized legally etc. if we can’t even stop arguing amongst ourselves?
Personally, I thought Erin came across as very genuine. And even if she did fake it–no one can deny that this sort of thing doesn’t happen. If people think it doesn’t, they should try living in south Texas.
The idea of being told by people to support “other GLBT causes” is kind of insulting too. I’ll decide which cause I’ll support, thank you. Ok I’m done ranting. I feel better now.
Fausto Fernós says:
August 14, 2007 at 22:42Eric- the truth is that it’s up to the police in Albany to decide who did this and if they can even prove the whomever did it. I doubt that person will ever come forward on their own accounts. I spent the afternoon with Erin, and my vibe is that she definitively did not do this, but that it was an incredibly good serendipity that it happened to such a brave and resourceful young woman. Most people naturally would have fixed their car and moved on with their lives. Erin chose to drive around the country and document people’s reactions to the car, which I think is great. I told her to get samples of her footage up on YouTube as soon as she gets home (or whenever she can) in order to continue the vital discussion the car has sparked.
It’s a natural reaction that people have to doubt the messenger, but It’s too bad most of the discussion here is mainly focusing on the integrity of Erin Davies instead of the strategies we can take to fight hatred and intolerance.
Hooliganbastard says:
August 14, 2007 at 22:45I had a 2004 Honda S2000. I came home from work and the car was trashed. It had Fag and child molester and rapist scratched into the paint. The windows were broken, the top was ripped, the dash was smashed. Its hard to even remember it. I pulled it into the garage. Left it there until I could have the insurance adjuster tell me I could take it into have it fixed. It was over 9 thousand dollars in damages. I had to drive the car to the body shop. It took 4 months to fix. The car was never the same. I got rid of it. I miss that car. That really sucked.
David-That Blue Jeans Guy-Byrd says:
August 14, 2007 at 22:51This episode has made my “Top 10″ list of best episodes ever.
I believe that Erin did have her car vandalized. She seems way too sincere and her story held up too well under scruitiny.
I think the guy on the phone call is much more involved in this than he wants to admit.
He is also a scary individual, so if she is successful at getting him to meet with her, meeting him with others present (think: bodyguards) is appropriate.
While I love the craziness that usually rules on the Feast, it is episodes like this that keep the show relevant to me.
Keep up the good work, guys.
Fausto Fernós says:
August 15, 2007 at 01:32Thanks David! Cross your finger we win “Best GLBT” podcast tomorrow!
Thrivis (a.k.a. Erika) says:
August 15, 2007 at 05:24Awesome show.
I’m a little confused about the mystery guy’s logic.
He says “Since I haven’t seen hateful graffitti here, it’s probably fake.” Wouldn’t this have not been known if the girl cleaned it up and went on her way? How many other cases are being swept under the rug? Erin even said that folks have told her it’s happened to them but they hide it as soon as it happens.
And just because it hasn’t happened before doesn’t mean it won’t, or it’s unlikely it would happen. Anywhere you go, there is going to be someone hateful.
Erin Davies’ account of the man punching the gay individual to death. If hate can kill arbitrarily, it can use a spray can on a car JUST as arbitrarily.
Also, he seems pretty offended that she’s from Albany. While it might not be likely simply because it hasn’t been seen by him before in Albany, who’s to say it’s a citizen of Albany? It could have been done by someone from out of town, someone visiting friends or passing through, and thought it would be a stupid prank.
It could have come from anywhere.
I really don’t see why he thinks it’s so unbelievable that this has happened to Erin… There are folks out there that have hate in them, and will express it in the first way that comes to mind when they walk by what sets them off. I’ve lived in a lovely neighborhood for years. No violence, no gangs. A man killed his wife and daughter at a birthday party before killing himself about two years ago. Random, confusing, unreasonable and unlikely, but it’s tragic and it happens.
I don’t know if I would think he did it though. The only thing that makes me think he’s linked with the vandalism is his note. The words he chose were not those of curiosity. He wanted to incite something when he contacted her. Whether it’s a revenge for foiling his vandalism, or his pride as an aficionado of street art, it’s kind of hard to say.
Gosh I love you guys. ![]()
David-That Blue Jeans Guy-Byrd says:
August 15, 2007 at 06:59The mystery man had no logic, period.
For every person who expresses his or her self with graffiti, there will be the random putz with a spray can who decides to show the world just how stupid he or she is.
Bigots exist in Albany, and extreme liberals exist in the Southern states. Geography has no bearing on a person’s mindset.
Will Erin’s cross-country trip and documentary make any difference? Only time will tell.
Joey Sanchez says:
August 15, 2007 at 07:48This is the best fucking podcast ever. I’m buying TWO t-shirts, goddamitt!
Frankly, whatever Erin wants to write on her blog is her business. It’s her blog. She’s presenting how she feels for public perusal. Whether or not she bad mouths her ex-girlfriend is her business. It’s her blog, and she can say whatever she wants.
The LGBTQ community of Albany should be backing up one of their own instead of trying to stop her. If she gains fame and notoriety for bringing to light an issue that has obviously plagued so many of us, GOOD FOR HER. I think most of us are smart enough to know that being harrassed happens everywhere- not just Albany, but even in the gay ghettos of New York and San Francisco and Chicago as well.
I wish we weren’t so quick to cut down people just because of popularity- especially when the ends with justify the means.
Flmustang says:
August 15, 2007 at 08:15I asked myself if I had the bravery to show respect for myself and our brothers and sisters, and I am stuck between standing up for myself and my safety. I commend her bravery.
npica says:
August 15, 2007 at 08:38I am writing in support of us Albany “naysayers,” as Erin referred to us in her many blogs. I heart vt mts. is absoloutely right: support was lacking a long time before Erin and her gf broke up. I’m not sure that I represent everyone when I say this, but we in Albany were initially supportive of Erin, but when we realized what her actions were really about, furthering her career as a filmmaker and gaining as much publicity and cash as possible from this alleged hate crime, we began to be skeptical. Erin’s objective is her career, not raising awareness. Erin Davies is not an activiist. If some good comes from her actions, then that’s just awesome, but as of yet this is simply the work of a self-aggrandizing, self-centered, ambitious filmmaker. In any case, criticism can only be good for Erin, not bad. It can help her examine her actions and realize that the community she’s dealing with is an intelligent, knowledgeable, discriminating, and proud group of GLBTQ folks and not a bunch of Fagbug sticker-buying fools ready to jump on the latest and most fashionable GLBTQ bandwagon.
npica says:
August 15, 2007 at 08:44Also, please feel free to keep the link to my blog up, as now I see that there are many others from Albany represented here in comments.
Thanks!
Fausto Fernós says:
August 15, 2007 at 10:27N-Pica, anyone is free to comment here as long as they keep their comments “above the belt.” We appreciate the lively conversation taking place here. You can also subscribe to the comments here and recieve updates via email just by clicking on the box at the bottom of the page.
I personally consider what Erin is doing as a form of activism as well as a form of raising funds for making a documentary about her experience. There is NOTHING wrong with that. Michael Moore and many other filmmakers like him do the exact same thing.
Just because you say someone isn’t an “activist” doesn’t mean she isn’t one. She’s raising awareness. She’s creating social change. She’s stimulating discussion. She’s meeting with politicians and getting them to state their opinions publicly on hate crimes and how they relate to GLBT people. THAT’S not an activist?
I’m sorry, but I see your reactions as pure jealousy. I think many communities can crucify their own because they find themselves stuck in their victimization mentality, and in this case this is the disenfranchised trying to distract one of their own from creating social change.
Erin is a threat to you and your community because she brings into question your past inability to move society forward. Don’t blame yourself for the past. You, like Erin are doing the best you can in how to make the world a better place. But give your sister a break and embrace her with a big purple lesbian blanket. She needs your support now more than ever.
rick in san diego says:
August 15, 2007 at 11:17I’ve got a crush on Fausto.
I don’t care what we label her, nor if she manages to break even or advance her career. The simple brave act is what inspires me. She may not be a career “activist,” but there is some part of this project that IS an act of activism, and then there is, NO DOUBT, an act of filmmaking.
I’m reminded of a quote, maybe by the Buddha, that goes something like, “Setting a single foot upon the path makes you a traveller.” The idea here is that you may have not gone very far or accomplished anything, but the act of taking that first step makes you a traveller – the act may be imperfect, incomplete, or even unintentional, but it’s action.
She’s putting thought in motion and it’s causing others to put thoughts into motion and so on. I also think there is a big argument to be made that smaller grass-roots-level actions will do much more than large, grand, sweeping actions. A lot of our critics just write off NGLTF, ACLU, HRC, GLAAD, and Lambda Legal as large faceless organizations pushing a self-serving agenda. Poeple lose sight of the struggling individuals those organizations represent, but when there is a single struggling person standing in front of them it is much harder to dismiss them, and more often they are embraced through our common humanity.
Would you not agree that individuals coming out to their families and friends everywhere would do more for our cause than all the lobbyists in Washington? Isn’t coming out a form of activism in itself? Should that brave act ever be dismissed because there are also self-serving interests involved?
Is there not more progress in our cause at the state level than at the federal level? Are these not samller acts that move our whole cause forward? I’m not an “activist”, but I met with a representative of Governor Shwarzeneggar’s office to discuss gay rights legislation in our state. Was that not a form of activism? (It was scary for me.) For that hour, was I not an activist? I certainly have something to gain from it?
There are gay and lesbian couples everywhere having and adopting children. They are motivated by the desire to build a family, but is this not a revolutionary act that is changing our world? Will we not look back on a generation of non-”activists” that collectively performed a great act of activism?
I think you may just be reserving too much reverence for the title, “Activist.”
patrick says:
August 15, 2007 at 11:45this has got to be one of the most inspired, most inspiring and most inspirational fof episodes ever! ladies and gentlemen… i give you exhibit A of why this podcast should win podcast of the CENTURY!!!
npica says:
August 15, 2007 at 12:37Fausto, thanks for your comments and the info., but I must say, I really resent the implication that our remarks, and specifically mine, come from jealousy or from our/my position of disenfranchisement. I am definitely NOT disenfranchised in any way, nor do I feel like a victim of anything. I am out at work, SUNY Press, here in Albany, and I am out to the Grad program I just got admitted to at U-Mass, Amherst. I am out to everyone, and I vote, and I’m active in the community through rallies, demonstrations and volunteering, but I do not call myself an activist. I am becoming a teacher to effect change; I am definitely, nor do I feel, powerless.
A dialogue on Erin’s campaign is exactly what I/us wanted, and it’s great to see. Dialogue is the kernel of change and in this situation, of trying to see beyond Erin’s myopic sticker campaign, and I am seeing that she herself has begun to change her tune and become more concrete since she’s begun to receive this criticism, so perhaps our “hatred and jealousy” of Erin is coming to some fruition.
Please know that those of us who have objected to Erin’s m.o. would want nothing more than to support her if we believed in her campaign, and I reserve the option of supporting her in the future if I start to see her change her objectives and goals.
Fausto Fernós says:
August 15, 2007 at 14:05I agree this is a dialouge, but it’s not necessarily a constructive one. We’re arguing on the integrity of the messenger, not the message itself. Because Erin has had an impact, is really the only reason people are trying to tear her down. Even the great Martin Luther King had his naysayers.
The danger of negative comments runs the risk of silencing others who may come forward to share their own stories. I welcome negative comments thrown at me, as long as they are set in specific points. Don’t like what I said, my hair color, my fat gut, my buck teeth.
But the problem I too often see is that the “criticism” isn’t rooted in anything concrete. What is it SPECIFICALLY that is bothering you about Erin? The fact that she has the potential to make a much smaller fraction of your annual salary doing something she believes in and that directly helps you in the long run.
Too many GLBT people think that our “fight” is over. Everyone knows somebody who has had their car vandalized because of their causal desire to place an identifying rainbow sticker on the bumper. I think stickers are cheesy and I find it bizarre that in 2007 it would cause anyone to react in such a violent way. But there it is, and here we are. We need to move forward as people.
Minion says:
August 15, 2007 at 16:27Hey, I just want to say how happy I am to see some one out there standing up and raising awareness of this issue. I have been gay bashed, and I have had my car vandalized because I was gay.
I am just happy that is some one strong enough to stand up and make a difference and an impact like this.
The fight is not over! Don’t stop trying to get people aware of these issues.
I got involved with the martial arts to better prepare myself in case something like this happens to me again. I encourage all gay people to learn a martial art. Don’t think that because people react to this and don’t back down or cover it up that we are trying to get attention, we are fighting the fight you guys are not strong enough to fight yourselves. STOP BLAMING THE VICTIMS!
DynaMike says:
August 15, 2007 at 16:48I don’t understand why people are faulting Erin for attempting to turn this into a documentary. I mean come on, that’s her outlet—would you rather she write a crappy song about it and post it on YouTube?
This is her niche. This is her art. I fail to see how Erin expressing herself in her preferred mode of self-expression could be considered an act of shameless self-promotion.
Alex says:
August 15, 2007 at 17:25i agree with dynamike. i would much rather have erin promote a cause by making a documentary and actually bringing attention to it instead of whining about it on youtube. and even if it is “self-promotion” (which it isn’t) then so what? shes still bringing up a major issue that people have been sweeping under the rug by doing what she’s doing. i seriously doubt that if erin made a song called “fag bug car” (to the tune of chocolate rain) that it would have the same effect.
bowdownza says:
August 15, 2007 at 17:42This show was great. I agree with Fausto. It seems that people are criticizing Erin for what amount to personal reasons and along the way missing the point of the message. The point is she is out there risking her dignity and maybe personal safety to show people what hate crimes look like. I believe that straight people just don’t get it, and I don’t think they ever will understand the fear that gays have to live with, even though it can be to varying degrees.
As for all the criticism of Erin, I agree it is really not coming from a logical place. Take for example here in chicago the new Center on Halstead. I do not agree that they needed to fundraise thousands of dollars just to furnish the lobby. Does that mean I think people should boycott the center? Does that mean their programs are not necessary? No.
A filmmaker who wants to further her own carreer?!!
A blogger who is self absorbed?!!
Are these really surprising faults?
Are these people idiots?
That man that you called seemed to me to be saying nothing more than she should not be doing this because it brings a bad image to Albany. Well the fact is chump, no matter what you say, it did not happen in Ithaca or Buffalo but it did happen in Albany.
DC_gay_man says:
August 15, 2007 at 21:13‘Vandelism to property’ construed as a movement worthy of documentation is quite unusual. If a therapeutic approach is required to overcome ‘the shock’ of receiving vandalism to property, she took it on the road to meet new people, travel to new places, and discuss a very singular topic that appears on first blush not to be rich in content. It’s original to say the least.
Personally, I believe that “fAg” or “U R gay” is beyond the point since most people are more sympathetic to vandelism of property than to the poor language utilized. She is not offended by the terms and she takes advantage of others that are sympathetic about the issues-at-hand.
I was most touched by the guy who wrote the note “it’s a shame that you made it up” and spoke about his personal interest in photography of graffitti art. Specifically, I think he was trying to point out the clear line between graffitti art to public areas versus vandelism to private property. His mistake was indicating that vandelism to property is “an isolated incident” (even if Albany, it’s hard to believe). But, I think his motives are the most interesting part of the discussion.
Vandelism to property is a concern; however, it’s hard to sympathize with the choices being made subsequent to the incident. Frankly, it’s the cost of vandelism to property that is worth discussion. In the end, Erin is no “Obey Campaign” which really created a true graffitti art movement worth documentation and discussion.
bowdownza says:
August 15, 2007 at 21:41W.T.F?
is that last guy really a gay man?
When you are gay and someone writes the word fag on your car er well if they did it to my car, the last thing I would be thinking about is vandalism to property. It is more of a personal attack, assuming the person who wrote it knew me and my car. the other option, that it was just happy luck that the douchebag who did this just happened to hit my faggoty car would not make me feel any less like it was a personal attack.
the choices Erin has made have nothing to do with vandalism to property but to the fact that she may no longer feel safe in her community and (I am projecting here) wants to let other people see what kind of attacks gay people have to put up with. You are a gay man and out of all this you actually manage to say that it is thecost of vandalism to property that is worth discussion???!!!
David-That Blue Jeans Guy-Byrd says:
August 15, 2007 at 23:24In his post, bowdownza brilliantly stated:
When you are gay and someone writes the word fag on your car er well if they did it to my car, the last thing I would be thinking about is vandalism to property.
*snip*
the choices Erin has made have nothing to do with vandalism to property but to the fact that she may no longer feel safe in her community and (I am projecting here) wants to let other people see what kind of attacks gay people have to put up with.
I completely agree. This has nothing to do with the car, the paint, whether or not it truly is graffiti, or whether or not it is a reflection of Albany in general. This has to do with one unbalanced and off-center individual seeking to harm somebody else, presumably to draw attention away from his/her own pain. This has been too many people’s life experiences, and it will continue to do so as long as we shoot the messenger, rather than help heal the problem.
Ramble Redhead says:
August 16, 2007 at 00:23I am glad that Erin was a guest on your show - she appeared on mine as well and I think she is an amazing person. I think it is incredible that she has taken her time to go all over the US to talk about her story and what she has happened during her trip. We need more people like Erin to make changes in our community and help end all of us being treated like second class citizens.
Lucas says:
August 16, 2007 at 02:13It’s an interesting show… While I would make no judgement on the authenticity of Erin’s accounts of the events, however, I wonder whether authenticity and altruistic intentions are requirements of starting a good cause. Suppose Erin’s Fagbug was a complete fabrication of her own creation. Does that really make what she is trying to do in raising awareness and creating a movement any less significant? Is it not true, that hate crimes against LGBTQ persons are occurring on a regular basis, throughout the world? Is it not true, that cars have been spray painted in the past with messages of hate in response to the owner’s supposed sexual orientation?
Greatness of a person is really assigned by historians in reviewing the person’s specific actions and his/her responses to the events that follow. Columbus was assigned as the “great man” who discovered America — even though his intentions may be completely selfish and motivated by greed. Similarly, Christian missionaries may help the poor people in under developed countries, but their intent is to promote and spread their own religious beliefs. No one can know, other than Erin herself, what her true intentions are. I hope that the movement to raise awareness about hate crimes against LGBTQ persons does not get (and it should not be ) diluted by questions regarding her intentions and her motivations.
Tommy says:
August 16, 2007 at 03:42I have to say, this has been one of the best episodes I have heard. Its along the lines for when y’all did the interview with Davis Mac Iyalla, about gay activism in Nigeria.
I am amazed by the discourse this episode have produced.
DC_gay_man says:
August 16, 2007 at 07:30To Bowdownza:
What you see with Erin’s car and story is what you get. There is no evidence that Erin knows who vandelized her personal property or the motive behind the incident. It’s still a blank slate that she chooses to explore. Your “if it was me” position is beyond the point.
She is making choices subsequent to the incident about something that she knows she can immediately change. If generating awareness is what she wants to achieve, I think there is some provocative discussion as to what Hate Crimes are about which is a public good for society to determine.
Relative to the reported murder and assault on gay men, it’s hard for me to objectively define this car as a Hate Crime equivalent to those incidents. It’s hard pressed for me to believe that the gay community would want the greater straight community to believe that this outcome is something unique and different that “vandelism of personal property.”
Portraying this incident beyond that is both risky and divisive.
npica says:
August 16, 2007 at 08:53First of all, lets try to cool it with the “idiots” and “miserable women” and “WTFs.” And lets try to keep it “above the belt,” as Fausto has reminded us to do.
As a woman, and a dyke I am disappointed and saddened to get the kind of replies to my comments that I have gotten. It is in such typical gay white male misogynist fashion to get these sorts of responses. If you criticize, you run the risk of being told that you are jealous, envious, feel disenfranchised, and are a miserable woman who should stand up with her lesbian sister. Shame on you people for being just like all other straight while males that women have to contend with every day of our “miserable” lives. I stand up plenty on my own, I don’t need to stand up with a woman whose “cause” I perceive to be a sham. It’s about ethics and integrity and picking the righteous battles that offer an intelligent and discriminating argument and not a spot on the next “Fagbug Across America” MTV reality TV show, which will effect NO change, in my opinion, call me crazy.
Just because someone is doing something good, and I do think that Erin is probably doing some of that, does not mean that we should all suddenly get behind her. Would you give money and support to a foundation that supports efforts in fighting breast cancer and research and care of women with breast cancer but refuses to give money to associations like Planned Parenthood that among the many and priceless services they offer to women also happen to provide abortion services? I would not! Would you give your vote to a politician that is pro-choice but not pro-gay? I would not!
What exactly is Erin’s agenda? What is her position on issues of race and class? Her blogs do not really seem to portray any favorable light on her in this respect. If you’re gonna be an activist against homophobia, you have to be willing and able to confront issues other than those that are closely related. Classism, racism, misogyny, these sorts of things. There is no intelligent and critical reflection of these things in Erin’s blogs, which I’m assuming are supposed to reflect the kind of “activist” that she is. All I’m saying is that by taking on this role and title of activist, Erin needs to become a lot more informed and a lot more enlightened than she currently is.
MMJ says:
August 16, 2007 at 10:23To npica- Just because you don’t support Erin’s campaign doesn’t mean you have to campaign against her. Sure, you have the right to do it, but is that being productive in any way? Could you, and the rest of the “down with FagBug” people maybe find something more useful to do with you time and effort? Perhaps start your own hate crime awareness campaign, one that you feel fits your definition of activism…and leave FagBug and Erin alone.
npica says:
August 16, 2007 at 10:30MMJ,
We do plenty of useful things with our time, and Erin is now in the public eye, as she herself wanted to be, so it is within anyone’s right to criticize her. Criticizing her does not mean campaigning against her. Criticism is good and can only make any cause better. If you want to go ahead and support Erin without really looking into her motivations and her mission, go right ahead. I prefer not to.
rick in san diego says:
August 16, 2007 at 11:48Npica,
I am really astounded at your indictment of all gay white men as misogynists! Shame on you. You have lowered yourself to the level of those you would indict. I’m personally offended as I have argued strenuously without stooping to those levels.
I really don’t think the construction of your arguments are holding up here. You are basically saying that since she doesn’t fight everything simultaneously, she shouldn’t be given credit for fighting anything? And that since activism is not her career choice, she should not act up?
I give money to several organizations because I doubt they are sharing the money with each other or directly supporting each other’s initiatives.
I think your real issues with Erin stem from personality differences and interpersonal/relationship conflicts that have arisen on the periphery of, or even before, Erin’s project. These conflicts have understandably colored your vision of her. For example, you think she may have violated the privacy of her ex-girlfriend, a good friend of yours, in her blog. I don’t read the blog, but I would see that as a valid issue for you and those close to the issue. The break-up happened, I’m sure there was a lot more involved, and you and yours feel your friend was the more honorable person in the process. Maybe you didn’t agree with all of Erin’s choices when the two were still together. These are reasonable criticisms that reasonable people would accept and they would certainly color your view of her future actions. If I got to know Erin, maybe I wouldn’t like the way the does some things as well. This could be said of anyone, imperfect as we are.
Regarding the project itself, I think most people are saying that they don’t really care that she is using it as a platform for the production of a documentary, that she is trying to sell merchandise to those ends, and trying to advance her career. Maybe Erin is on a journey to describing it more in that fashion which may be appropriate. I think most of the people here feel it doesn’t cheapen the kernel of the whole thing, pointing out that intolerance exists and she’s performing a brave act that shines a light on it.
I, as well, would agree that she shouldn’t accuse the note-guy of vandalising her car, but I think there is still something of value in her project.
I would simply disagree with you in not allowing her to call herself an activist. Filmmaker and possibly entrepreneur may be more central to her being, but this is an act of acti




































Matt says:
August 14, 2007 at 04:06Erin honey I feel your pain, I once had a vintage car. And somone drew a huge penis on the back window and wrote “Fag” and “I suck Cock” all over the galss of my car. I was so hurt and angry. I was discussted at how someone could do this to my car. But I didn’t do anything about it, I still drove it around and when I drove it to school the next day (it happened in my school parking lot) I left it there over lunch break and when I got back someone had keyed it and then wrote on it again with a sentence that read, “Why wont you wash it off? Arent you ashamed of yourself, you fag!”
I never did wash it off, but eventually the rain and weather washed it all way because it wasn’t in spray paint only temporary window paint. I didn’t fix it because I wasn’t ashamed and was glad that by me not washing it off, it made the person that did do it feel like they had made no diference by slamming me with a sexist slur. I am proud of what your doing and just wanna say, “Go Gurl!! and FagBug rules!!!’