FOF #801 - Gay Republican - 07.17.08

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Make up artist and gay Republican Marcus HaynesIt’s not easy being pink, especially when you’re a gay Republican, or part of the Pink Elephant party, as I like to call it.

You’re an outsider both in gay circles and in the Republican party, a stranger in a strange land.

I’ve really been enjoying reading about Barbara Walter’s life in her tell-all memoir “Audition” where she marvels at the appeal of talk-show foil Elisabeth Hasselbeck. She’s the sexy but conservative Republican on the show who for some reason or another always stands by her man, but in this case it’s the disaster we all know as President George W Bush.

Marcus Haynes loves his Feast of Fools t-shirt!I thought it would be fun to find a gay Republican to talk to on the show, one who doesn’t fit the mold of a staunch, suit-wearing conservative. Well here he is, and did I mention that he likes to wear male style wigs when he goes out to bars.

Say hello to Marcus Haynes- make-up artist, image consultant, communications researcher and GAY REPUBLICAN. Yes, his MySpace page has a Louis Vuitton background, and yes, he loves his designer bags.

Besides talking about American politics and our dire need for Universal Health Care system, Marcus really knows his make-up and can make anyone look flawless.

Marcus puts brow gel on me, much to my trepidationI was a bit scared when he took his brush to my face, worrying he would make me look like a fierce drag queen. Nothing wrong with that, but today I wanted to look like a hot dude.

Here’s a photo of my face as Marcus puts on Christian Dior “Diorshow Brow” eyebrow gel on my face. Be gentle Marcus!

A lot of our guests like to show off their fancy drawers for us! Marcus gives Fausto a hug, Fausto Loves his Makeup!

Barbie as Black CanaryBarbie has a brand new look and it’s a dirty whore. Well, not a dirty whore but Barbie as Black Canary, the DC comic book character. Some right wing Christians are saying that she looks more like an S&M dominatrix than a superhero. You go Barbie and get your freak on because we know that Ken isn’t given it to you.

Perez Hilton is getting sued after publishing on the front of his site a homophobic email he received. Diane Wargo wrote the famous blogger and called him a “Fat Gay Pig” and is now suing him for $25 million because she lost her job after she was inundated with hate mail from Perez readers. She was on company time and used her company email address to spew her idiocy so her boss canned her.

I’m not one to publicly display people’s email addresses when they email nasty comments but I’m glad Perez did it to her. This homophobic crap has got to stop and people should be held accountable for their actions. He should sue her! And I should sue them both for having to blog about it.

We’ve got a couple of fun threads in the forums right now. The first one, Strangest thing you’ve had sex with, was started by Knicknack11 because he heard the topic on the show and became interested in what other people were into. And the other thread is So try to gross me out! started by Marc Felion. It’s pretty gross but we’re trying to keep it to hot guys that have something gross going on. It’s not for the squeamish.

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Cant wait to hear this. My boyfriend is also a gay republican. This should be interesting… :)

Finally a man who appreciates daily make-up use like I do. No hate from me Marcus, I’ve come to love me and Gonzalo’s differences on politics. Variety is the spice of life! Great show, loved hearing another gay republican. I’ve never thought about wearing a wig as a man, very interesting. Hope to hear more of Marcus. Love ya’ll
Matty

In the Netherlands, with a mixed goverment — Christian-Social — I pay about 40% tax and 120 Euros a month for national health care. Not to bad I guess.

Being self-employed in the UK I pay about £9.20 per month National Insurance.

Oh so you guys did find a HOT gay republican, lol.

Marcus

Since Bush is the CEO of the country, he is absolutely responsible for how things are. The buck stops in the oval office. Or does he only want to take credit when things are good. Also given that Republicans had 100% control for all branches of federal government from 2000-2006 they are completely responsible for the economy. If you like the way things are now, vote for McCain. McCain will do 95% of what Bush does. If you don’t like how things are, vote for Obama. The choice is pretty simple.

Gary

Great show boys. I’ve got a box full of wigs just waiting to be worn! btw, McCain is 72.

You need to check out this site: http://www.thingsyoungerthanmccain.com/

Marc - I agree with you in not making a deal out of it, we got called Faggot walking down the street and my only concern was that if I did acknowledge it, it would give the name callers the “power” they’re looking for, and I didn’t want to give them that satifsaction.

It is too bad that someones negligence caused 16 stingrays to die : -(

matty, do you have a boyfriend? if so, what’s his name? it would be great if you could clear that up.

though i share some conservative beliefs with the republican party, i’ve always thought gays that label themselves as republican were just trying to be more exclusive than gays already can be. i guess marcus totally changed my opinion.

as marcus alluded to, the ideas of the democratic party is one of the closest thing to socialism we have in the united states. in order to improve the quality of life for all americans, we have to sacrifice and re-assess where we distribute money. for people used to “every man for himself” mentality, it would prove difficult at first.

what’s with all the south bashing lately on the show. just because people there ain’t got fancy learning or britches, doesn’t mean tain’t bright. pick up a newspaper in chicago (anywhere in america,really) and you’ll be surprised by all the idiots/crooks in office, walking the streets, or in voting booths.

Pete: yeah I do have a boyfriend. We met through the Feast of Fools actually. And his name is Gonzalo.

Just finished the show, cool one :oD

To be honest, I didn’t feel like I gained any new perspective. I understand his position on universal health care and government spending, as those are recurring Republican ideals. I differ greatly in the area of health care, but I feel like Marcus and I would simply not agree in this area. But I would have loved to have heard his position on gay marriage, adoption, and the current move towards equality. How does one who is both gay and republican make peace with a party that (for the most part) has no interest in fighting for his basic rights as a citizen? I would have liked to have heard his answer to that.

And if we’re really concerned with the spread of wealth in this country, perhaps we could do a better job at reducing corporate tax loopholes, especially that of the gas and oil industry. Of course we are spending billions on a pointless war, while the real terrorists are going unchecked…but none of that has anything to do with the economy. of course not.

If we’re going to be fiscally responsible, as the republicans claim they want to be, it can’t just be about cutting spending down in areas of social programs. We have to hold the government responsible for all spending, which includes high bidding contracts to friends, tax cuts to the wealthiest americans, and cutting of wasteful programs (on both sides). I’ll stop ranting. ;-)

Um….Absinthe is ILLEGAL in the United States. Here in Salt Lake there is a club that sells “American” absinthe which is NOT “real” absinthe. I know this has like nothing to do with the show besides the advertisement, but just fyi, there either breaking the law or lying.

I think you should have Marcus as an occasional guest during the election cycle again.

Even if McCain stinks, there are alternatives instead of voting for Obama such as voting for Bob Baar. I know Bush basically turned America into a turd ferguson, I realised Bush was the emperor with no clothes on since 2004, and voted third party for governor of California as well twice. I did not trust Arnold either.

Health care, with socialized medicine it gets rationed. I wonder how 80 year old seniors will react when life extending surgery gets rejected because you are not valuable to the government. Private insurance is not perfect either, but both systems should work together. We do need a national health service, but we also should have private insurance to supplement what government will not provide.

Energy, I honestly hold the Republican line on this. We need to conserve and find new alternative fuel such as solar, hydrogen, and electric. However we still need traditional sources of energy as well. If we drill on our coastlines, we should charge a levy as a bond to help protect against any environmental issues that might happen or use the money to help promote r&d for alternative energy. Yes, Republicans were do nothing, but at least they have been proactive today.

Iraq, I agree we have been bamboozled. We could of used the money for more productive purposes such as education, healthcare and slightly lower tax burden. As what Obama stated we need to get out of Iraq as carefully as possible unlike how we got into Iraq.

I have severe reservations about voting for Obama, where he believes we should speak to the despots of the world without preconditions. California is so solidly for Obama where my vote does not matter anyways.

Its sad that Republicans have to be in the closet to keep power. I hope people in the future can run openly gay as a Republican.

CircuitMOM was just in Ann Arbor hosting the Boys of Summer competition at my local club, Necto. She was pretty amusing. :]

Really great guest! I live in Canada and I’m fed up with all the leftist, gay or not.

I was brainwashed thru’ school and university which were filled with leftists; socially and fiscally. Once I started working and realized 1/2 of my earnings are taxed away to pay for lazy people and the impossibly idealist dreams of lefties, I haven’t voted anything but conservatively.

Canada may have public healthcare here, but it’s rationed. For example, it takes months or years to get an MRI. People have died here waiting for services. Entrepreneurs are not even allowed to open private clinics where patients could get life-saving tests and treatments in a timely manner. I’m not a rich man, but if I needed a test, I’d gladly pay to get tested NOW, but I’m not allowed (unless I make a trip to the US).

Social engineering. Unions. Regulation. Pacifists. Libraries. Addict needle handouts. No thanks. People need to take more personal responsibility. Governments should focus on providing core services which individuals cannot obtain on their own (ex. roads, sewers, cops, firemen, defence, basic medical care (ex. you want a sex change? YOU pay for it.), education, disaster services, etc.) With the tax savings, I can choose to spend upon that which I care about.

The US may not be perfect, but If I were younger and more ambitious, I’d move there.

Gay conservatives exist. Let’s hear from them more frequently.

Matty, thanks so much for clearing that up for us again. I just wouldn’t know if you didn’t tell us every single day.

As for today’s guest, honestly, I was turned off by him for a number reasons. First being, I found him incredibly pretentious and snobby - I mean come on, who needs that many wigs and/or pairs of shoes, especially if you’re not a drag queen or an actual queen? Second, and I don’t want to harp on someone for purely physical reasons, but he just looked odd to me. Honey, put down the tweezers with those eyebrows… please!

But more importantly, I didn’t feel like I really understood why he felt the way he did about the issues that divide Democrats and Republicans. In fact, most of what he said proved to me he’s more liberal than he is willing to admit. So if this isn’t the case, I really want to know why he felt Bush was the best choice for not just four, but EIGHT years of rule.

Going along with what Teddy said, I would have liked to have heard his positions on gay marriage, adoption, gays in the military, the travel ban for people with HIV/AIDS, and a host of other topics that the Republicans believe in. We didn’t get any of that. If you have him back, I would really like to have these questions answered.

And please, tell him to leave the wigs at home.

Hmm…I was over Marcus in the first twenty minutes. I kept with it, but nothin’. He strikes me as one someone I would avoid interaction with — and I’m a makeup artist, too. Really, really full of himself. Kind of made me uncomfortable, actually.

I hate leaving less-than-stellar comments. :( Oh well. He was a less-than-stellar guest, IMO.

“oh snap” at felix and rick. you guys probably said what everyone else was thinking.

God this guy is a skank-twat.

The wigs are hot! We’re all going to go out in them and tell people we are a rock band.

What’s wrong with socialism anyway? So you won’t be able to buy 400 pairs of shoes… it’s not like your going to wear them all anyway. Further, a resent study suggested that the happiest people in the world today are from the Netherlands… a socialist country

wigs — my mom gave my ex two short hair wigs from the 60’s. loved to wear them for an emo / hipster look in San Francisco. Lost them in the divorce.

health care:

The state of California alone has more people than all of Canada.

Yet the rhetoric against ‘National Healthcare’ I have heard simply compare Canada and the U.S. Sounds like a straw man. Besides, the systems aren’t comparable: One exists, and offers care to all, and the US system doesn’t exist at all.

Stop bringing up personal anecdotes about health care failures in Canada & recognize that insurance is an actuarial science.

You can pay for an MRI now? In as little as six months, the future value of the money you spend can pay for more than your MRI alone. And when it shows up negative or inconclusive, as the numbers bear out, then it’s a simple financial choice to triage the care and order the claims. Perhaps Canadian health care sounds flawed by not allowing you to waste extra money on MRI’s, but I think that sounds like they are trying to prevent a health care class crisis. There are mistakes and tragedies. But those are called outliers.

If you cant live with it then reform it, don’t move. People still voting in Canada?

Canadians are building more than just a health net, they are building a community of highly educated people who expect higher standards of living than most of the rest of the Earth. Better off with a healthy population than without. Move here and complain bitterly about how better off you were in Canada. Stay, and continue raising engineers, health care professionals and scientists that enrich the country.

Hi All,

It has been great reading all your comments so far. I actually expected more negative comments. Thanks for the support. I would love to come back and chat about topics we didn’t get a chance to talk about such as gay adoption, gay-marriage, etc. Some of ya’ll commented that I sounded arrogant and full of myself. You are right!!! J/k! When I listened back, I thought to myself that I might come across that way. But we should meet for a drink, because I really am not. I just feel strongly about what I believe in and I am confident. Yes, I have too many shoes and wigs but that is something I love. And I have every right to buy as many pairs of shoes as I want! That is what I love this country ; )

I did want to respond to a few of comments individually.

To Erik, what is the problem with socialism? Well, a big problem is that it subverts everything this country is based on. Opportunity and success from originality and hard-work is suppressed by socialism. Although everyone should be protected and seen as equal under the law, we are not equal. Why should people who are tenacious, hard-working and talented foot the bill for the corrupt, lazy and unmotivated? This is my issue. As to your comment about happiness and the Netherlands, I was just talking about this today. This is based on expectancy theory, which means when you don’t have a lot of expectations, you tend to not be disappointed as much. What raises expectations? Comparison.

As I mentioned on the show, we are a very diverse society where vast comparisons are made. This breeds unhappiness unfortunately. Statistically, we are less happy because A LOT of unhappy people bring down the mean or average. There are A LOT of happy people in this country, more so than in the Netherlands. However, because the Netherlands are a VERY homogenous culture, there is less to compare, therefore, you get a more happy report.

Hey Felix, didn’t to make you feel uncomfortable!! I am opinionated but not full of myself. Okay not totally! Where is the love?

Marc,

Thanks for the hot wig comment! I’m getting your wig ready! Yours too Fausto! It will be fierce!!!

I’ve had a pretty awful, fever this past week, and I haven’t seen a doctor about it. Why? Because a visit to an emergency room will run me about $200-300. I’m hoping my fever will subside, but it’s when I’m on the fence about weather or not I’m REALLY sick that I’d love to have the ability to see a doctor.

Instead I play a wait and see game. It sucks. My family in Puerto Rico all have access to healthcare and see doctors all the time. Even U.S. territories have health care!

Can’t wait to put on a wig to look flawless. I’ll be a STUNNING DIVA. ;)

Valhum! Thanks for the hot comment. At least someone doesn’t think I’m a ….what is it…skank-twat!??? LOL!!!

Well i do think you are hot hehehe…….and since english is not my main language i have no idea what a skank twat is…..i kinda know what skank means but well……lol.

I actually was writing down the facial products you recommended :oD

Aren’t ALL governments socialist organizations anyways? The well being of the members of society-
Find me one governing power that isn’t paid for (using force or free will, or a combo of both) by it’s citizens.

Other common socialist institutions:
Public Schools, The Army, Department of Motor Vehicles, IRS, and so on…

Here’s a great essay published in 1949 on why we should embrace socialist ideas by one of the greatest minds of the 20th century: Albert Einstein. His name is synonymous with genius.

http://www.monthlyreview.org/598einst.htm

His writing is a little clumsy (his first language was German) but he was a visionary man who changed not just our views of physics, but opening up our world to be questioned with.

The theory of relativity states there is no special vantage point in the universe.

I have to say Marcus really does know his makeup.

Thanks Fausto! No and no, not all governments follow socialist ideals. Yes, we do have a few areas where we are “universal” that are guaranteed by our constitution, such as law-enforcement, etc. however, take note. When you are living in a socialist society you do NOT own property as an individual, for example. In other words, the government rules your life. That is the point I was trying to make. When you asked the question about what I wanted as an ideal Republican candidate, I wanted to say that it should be someone who wants less government telling you what to do and making decisions for you NOT more. Okay, off the soap box I go!

BTW, according to new research the theory of relativity is close to being dismantled. No doubt he was a genius though!

So where does their money come from? All govt’s get their cash from peeps.

Size is a relative issue. Where is a link to the theory of relativity being “dismantled”? I need some bibliography here.

Valhum and anyone else! Look me up on myspace and I will be happy to give away all my secrets ; )

myspace.com/markthaynes

Wow the Gay Republican forum under Community is brutal. The last guy said that Republicans make him want to fucking puke? Are you serious? Does he really think Democrats really care about gay rights and the fringe of society? Don’t forget that Kerry from the last election and most democrats subsequently are vocally opposed to gay marriage and most gay causes. Don’t be fooled! Take a page from the history books and realize that if it were not for Republicans the Civil Rights Act would NEVER be passed. Most Americans are egocentric not just Republicans.

This is a freakin bloodbath! I’m going to put on Texas Chainsaw Massacre and think about the guy who just got kicked off Project Runway! Cracked me up when Nina Gracia said his outfit looked like something a killer would wear in a horror movie! AHHHHHHH!

I’ll be listening to the show in the morning, but I just saw something that made me sad here in the comments…..

kna829- You’re against libraries? Why? I practically spent all my time growing up in the local library, reading constantly and doing all the programs that they offered. I can’t imagine why a library is anything but a wonderfully positive thing to have in the neighborhood.

Everybody needs libraries. Why wouldn’t you want to have one?

Great show, but Marcus is a bit crispy around the edges.

Crispy around the edges? What does that mean??????

Thanks for having Marcus on the show today. Although my views differ, I tried to keep an open mind and felt I learned something about gay Republicans. I still think Cindy McCain is creepy and her hair bun looks like its wrapped a little too tight. Marcus is just part of the great big tapestry that makes up the gibblets (GLBTs).

I am glad we are unique in the sexual diversity community.

The Netherlands just misses out on being in the happiness top five – Denmark, Malta, Switzerland are joint winners (both scoring 8), followed by Iceland and Ireland with 7.8 points – but is way ahead some of the most miserable parts of the world (Tanzania 3.2, Zimbabwe 3.3). France scores 6.6, Germany 7.1 and Britain 7.2.

Veenhoven researched the correlation between happiness and welfare states in 32 countries in 1990. He calculated the percentage of national income spent by the state on welfare and – to his great surprise – found nothing to indicate that people were happier in countries with higher welfare spending.

Ruut Veenhoven has spent 25 years studying what makes us happy

For example, Sweden, Denmark and Holland spend over 30 percent of gross national product on social security and are all relatively happy countries as are Switzerland and Iceland which spend around one-third less (10 percent) on state welfare systems.

There are several possible answers as to why this is the case, says Veenhoven. “It could be that the state is not necessarily the best way provider of social security. A privatised system for, say, pensions could be better. Another alternative is the Japanese system where your employer provides extensive social security. Or there’s the family-oriented approach which is popular in Mediterranean countries.”

On top of this, says Veenhoven, a state-controlled social security system is often bureaucratic which alienates people (and thus makes them less happy) or encourages a passive approach to life (which is also not conducive to happiness). Another explanation may also be that people may need lower levels of social security to be happy than many believe.

Dwyn, I just wanted to send you some love for sticking up for libraries. ;)
If we didn’t have libraries, where would we go to find hot librarians???

Thanks Marcus xD

John McCain is the creepy ghost-priest from the Poltergeist 2 movie:

I don’t see Democrats trying to change the U.S. constitution to ban gay marriage. I see Republican’s always trying to cut funding to many vital community services, but LOVE to extend corporate welfare to large companies at YOUR expense.

Our current President Bush is a typical Republican to me. What’s funny is how McCain is trying to have it both ways, stand apart from him yet at the same time benefit from whatever public support he has.

At the end of the day, we all have to work together to get Obama elected, and not take for granted that he’s a popular candidiate at the moment. I want Obama as President. I’ve never felt like that about any Presidential candidate ever.

OMG, Faustos! That so cracks me up! But you are confused, that is actually Ross Perot! Muah!

Hey guys - I liked the show and I liked Marcus - we don’t always have to agree on everything, do we? Although one thing that I have noticed is alot of Republicans are very presumptuous, evident esp at the ‘Sweden has a sh%tty lifestyle and pays 80% taxes’ comment - which of course is not true at all, and he’s never visited there anyway so how would he know - Ive been all over Europe and although no system is perfect I do think there are things that should not be left to Capitalism and free mkt - such as the energy companies, (Calif companies causing blackouts on purpose to drive prices up a few years back) and healthcare. I totally agree with what Fausto said too, and yes lots of folks in both parties are realizing that we are *already* paying for emergency healthcare for everyone anyway, when folks end up in the emergency room and the bill is thru the roof and there is no ins, who do you think pays? we do - wouldnt you rather pay for a $400 physical and peeps stay well?

and hey did you guys see this - “Also in the Pacific, Tropical Storm Fausto, a few hundred miles south-southwest of Acapulco, Mexico is moving west-northwest, slightly away from the west coast of Mexico. Fausto, while moving away, is expected to strengthen and be close enough to generated increased surf along the western Mexico Coast for the next few days.”

rofllllll ; -) thanks guys, great show as always! Juantana in DC

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I’m with Teddy and Rcktman…I’m sure you must be a great researcher but the conversation came off as superficial and ill informed. A missed opportunity imo.

So, instead of a redistribution of wealth through “socialist” programs we should keep the mechanisms in place that prevent access to wealth and keep it in the hands of a small few. As evidenced by the number of female CEO’s, CEO’s of color, and the fact that women earn less salary for performing the same work as their male counterparts.

And, what about corporate welfare? Should that be disallowed as well?

Am I detecting a bit of schizophrenia? I’ve never met a republican who wasn’t in love with the pharmacartel and big business.

Marcus you come off sounding as though you have a great deal of material privilege. A room for your shoes and Creme de la mer at 100’s of dollars and ounce. You know.

ps we’re still waiting for Marcus to defend his comment on the boards about Republicans being responsible for passage of the Civil Rights Act. Please and thank you.

Hi Juantana! Thanks for you comments. I, too, have been all over Europe, including Sweden. I try not to be presumptuous but girl can exaggerate! The fact of the matter is that Sweden pays one of the highest income taxes in the world (as high as 56%) . They don’t have a shitty lifestyle but when you are taxed that much the rest is pretty obvious.

A point that I did not make on the show is that there is a HUGE difference between emergency healthcare for everyone and socialized medicine. If you think the quality of healthcare is a problem now, you would die if we turned to socialized medicine. The quality of healthcare plummets and you will be waiting in lines and lines of people just to get looked at. Like you said, no system is perfect but our healthcare system is miles ahead of other countries where people literally die before they get treated. That is what socialized medicine does for you!

Sweden is problematic for many reasons. Why not make a comparison to a country like Japan?

Hi Trickytoro!

Actually, the tables are turning on that stat that everyone seems to quote regarding the inequitable pay for women. This is simply not true in many cases today, in fact it is the opposite. More women than men are in college today, more women are getting hired over men in multifarious positions across the board.

As I said in my earlier comment, why should my hard earned dollar be distributed to programs and people who I feel should not be supported. Of course, the money that people who work their asses of for should keep it. I just don’t understand your line of thinking.

As to your comment about limiting access to wealth…The wonderful thing about this country is that ANYONE who has a good idea, who is willing to work hard and practices some sense of ingenuity can realize their goals. Yes, we do have a system where the rich get richer and the poor get poorer, but we are an incredibly generous country and l think A LOT of people forget about that.

Finally, not sure how you want me to defend my comment about the Civil Rights Act, it is fact and one that doesn’t need to be defended. Both the 1964 Civil Rights Act and the 1965 Voting Rights Act, over 80% of Republicans voted for. This far exceeds the Democrat record. This is why I get really irritated when people automatically think that Dems are for gay and civil rights. There are so many haters in the democratic party and history proves that!

>>>The quality of healthcare plummets and you will be waiting in lines and lines of people just to get looked at. Like you said, no system is perfect but our healthcare system is miles ahead of other countries where people literally die before they get treated.

Well, looks like another ‘agree to disagree’ because its simply not true. If you actually talk to the folks that are in these countries (guys and gals? anyone? Bueller? ;-) you will see that their healthcare is miles ahead of ours. Folks totally die *here* waiting for healthcare even with insurance (my partner back in the 90’s died from melanoma at 30 but not before racking up 2 mortgages worth of failed treatments & they made up some story about it being pre-existing and dropped his ins), and we pay so much more when folks dont go due to cost and then something serious happens - and some go to India for surgery at a tenth of the price here - hell most of their docs train here anyway so whats the diff? NPR is actually doing a really great series on European healthcare systems and so far everyone I heard is happy with it and happy paying a bit more to get it. Personally I think we could have some form of universal healthcare at our current tax rates, that is they would roll back the tax cuts for the rich Bush put into place. My French teacher’s American husband fell off a horse in Normandy and broke his arm, everything was taken care of for free, even unrelated tourists can get healthcare when on holiday sometimes. He reached for his wallet and everyone just laughed at him. Wouldn’t you think that the first thing that any modern leading country would do would be to take care of all its citizens? Its just tough to argue this one and I’ve always thought leaving healthcare up to Capitalistic insurance companies to control was nuts.

It would be historically inaccurate for either party to claim responsibility for the act. Events were already set in motion and I would argue congress was simply responding to the tides of the nation in which brutal images of oppressed peoples were being splashed across TV screens and the mighty organizing power of blacks themselves.

George H.W. Bush opposed the Civil Rights Act in his 1964 run for the U.S. Senate.

Ronald Reagan, in his 1966 campaign to become governor of California, endorsed repeal of California’s Fair Housing Act, saying, “If an individual wants to discriminate against Negroes or others in selling or renting his house, it is his right to do so.”

President G. W. Bush has described his relationship with the NAACP as “basically nonexistent.”

And, the NAACP’s has consistently given the Republican Congress failing grades on its Federal Legislative Report Card.

The idea that anyone can pull themselves up by their bootstraps is pure fantasy and ignores the fact that just by virtue of being white, or being a person of color, or being poor you are going to have different access to the system. Its well documented that poor people and people of color get the shit end of the stick and if you’re a woman of color or a poor woman of color forget it. You’re going to serve longer prison sentences for the same offenses as your white counterparts. You’re going to have less access as a whole.

Male CEO’s outnumber their female counterparts more than 2:1

Out of all the fortune 500 companies only a dozen are headed by women. The reasons are complex and they start at the bottom with access and carry on into hiring/working practices. The idea that we’ve suddenly corrected office place equality in 30 years is absurd.

I could pull out dozens of Republicans who have fought for civil rights. Both parties should be shameful; however, the record speaks for itself. Republicans win HANDS DOWN!

Since the first civil rights act of 1866, passed by Republicans in Congress, Republicans have been pro civil rights.

The Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 were signed into law under a Democratic President. However, it was the Republicans in Congress who made possible the passage of these Acts, for even though the Democrats controlled both Houses by wide margins, they still could not garner enough of their own votes to pass the bills. In fact, in the House, only 61% of the Democrats voted for the Civil Rights Act (152 for, 96 against) while 80% of Republicans voted for it (138 for, 38 against). In the Senate, only 69% of Democrats voted for the Act (46 for, 21 against) while 82% of Republicans did (27 for, 6 against). The passage of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 would not have been possible without the strong, cohesive support of the Republicans. In fact, all Southern Democrats voted against the Civil Rights Act, including Sen. Al Gore, Sr., who voted with the Southern Democrats against civil rights whenever the occasion arose.

Around 1890, Democrats instituted what became known as “white primaries” to keep blacks from being placed on the ballot. Democrats also developed poll taxes to keep blacks from voting. It was not until 1966 that the poll tax was ended, and it had only been in 1944 that the “white primaries” had finally ceased. Significantly, it was not Democrats, but the Republicans, who had long championed the repeal of the poll tax. The Republican platform declared: “We demand that every citizen of the United States shall be allowed to cast one free and unrestricted ballot, and that such ballot shall be counted and returned as cast.”

Three African-Americans have presided over Republican National Conventions, while only one, Yvonne Brathwaite Burke in 1972, has made it as high as Vice-Chair - not even Co-Chair - of a Democratic National Convention.

In 1966, Republican Edward William Brooke III of Massachusetts became the first black to be elected to the U.S. Senate by popular vote.

In 2001, there were 39 black Members of Congress: one Republican and thirty-eight Democrats. The black Republican (one of 271 combined Republicans in the House and the Senate) was elected by his Republican peers to a position of Republican leadership in this Congress; but of the thirty-eight black Democrats (from among the 262 combined Democrats in the House and the Senate), none was elected by his Democratic peers to any leadership position.

Black media personality R.D. Davis of Alabama correctly observes, “History tends to unilaterally and falsely depict Republicans as racists when Democrats truly deserved this title.”

PURE FANTASY!! Are you kidding me? This country’s foundation is on the shoulders of people who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps. Do know how many people are success stories despite their background?

It is unfair to argue by selective observation. The CEO example does not wash and it does not apply to the majority of the people. Most people will never be a CEO and the 2:1 ratio sounds generous. I expect that it would be even worse, as that is the ceiling.

I could give an example to start to dispel your argument that you are screwed if you are black and a woman, but it would be arguing by selective observation. OPRAH WINFREY, can you think of a worse background by a black woman who has been a huge success despite her adversity? Drugs, poverty, sexual and physical abuse, no parental guidance. This list goes on and on. However, there are countless faces who have made it despite their circumstances so don’t tell me that it is a fantasy that you can’t pull yourself up!!!

You can recognize this fact but also understand that their is HUGE inequity and that there are people of advantage. This will always be the case. From a Darwinian perspective, there will always be winners and losers. The sooner we accept that and work to do the right thing despite this fact, the better off we all will be!

Uncle Thomasina, er excuse me, Condi Rice is black too but that doesn’t make her a friend of blacks.

The CEO example points to something deeper and more endemic.

I guess I was wrong. Since Oprah made it and became a billionaire then anyone should be able to. And if they dont its their own damn fault. They weren’t strong enough to survive and after all only the strong should and do survive. The poor and disadvantage are that way because they are lazy. You totally convinced me. I am going to register Republican now.

Fuck the poor! Creme de la mer for everyone!

Interesting show…but I would have liked to get to know more about Marcus` political views.

I agree with him, the Iraq war is not the main reason the for the high gas prices. You have to look at it from a global perspective. The high and fast growing demand in China, India and the middle east is the main driver. The Iraq war may also be one factor because of the instability it caused in the region. I assume the oil price will remain on a high level and is more likely to increase.
It is a problem for the global economy but I think it will hit the U.S. economy pretty hard because:
1. The weak dollar, due to the financial crises and high oil price
2. A misallocation of resources since the 1950`s: U.S cities are not as concentrated as European or Asian cities. Living, working and shopping are not close together. Often huge housing areas which are far to the next supermarket and city center and due to bad public transport you have to use the car.
3. Most American airlines`fleet are quite old in average. High gas prices hit them harder because their old airplanes are not fuel efficient and high investments are necessary to replace old airplanes with new ones. But most of them have high dept and cannot afford to replace them as fast as they should. So it may be a matter of time till major American airlines go bankrupt.
4. Mismanagement of all major American car companies: concentrating mainly on big, not fuel efficient trucks, cars.

Marcus said on the show, universal health care is affordable or only with high taxes like 80 %.
WRONG ! European countries can afford it, so can the USA !

First I have to say socialism to certain degree is good and necessary. I would never vote for the left wing party (SPD-social party of Germany) here in Germany, because their understanding of socialism goes to far. But the right wing party (CDU- Christian democratic union) support socialism to a certain degree, including universal health care.

It is affordable ! As a student I pay only 50 Euro plus 20 Euro for an extra teeth assurance. I have to pay only 50 Euro because students are support through the tax system. If you work in Germany it depends on your income. The maximum would be about 480 Euro every month. If you earn more then 48.150 Euro a year, you can change to a private assurance company or you can stay in the government owned assurance.
But the system will change due to higher costs. Everyone has to pay for the government assurance, if you want extra service you can get an additional private assurance.
In the USA it should be not a problem at all to finance universal health care because they have fewer old people, the demographic situation regarding age is much better than in Europe. Hence the cost of universal health care would be probably lower in the USA.

Marcus: “f you think the quality of healthcare is a problem now, you would die if we turned to socialized medicine. The quality of healthcare plummets and you will be waiting in lines and lines of people just to get looked at. Like you said, no system is perfect but our healthcare system is miles ahead of other countries where people literally die before they get treated. That is what socialized medicine does for you”

Are you kidding ? If I want to see a doctor I can get an appointment usually at the same or the next day in Germany. First you have to go the general doctor, if further test are necessary he will send you to specialist. At a specialist you get an appointment within week. BUT if you have pain, high fever or something urgent you can an appointment at the same day. For surgeries there also not long waiting times.

So universal heath care can be affordable and can provide a health care system with good high standards. It is not only black and white, and socialism to a certain degree can be good !
Everyone could have a car accident one day or might get seriously ill.
Maybe you are not able to work anymore, you are kicked out of the private assurance and end up being poor. Would you still think universal health care is bad ?

Marcus: “Are you kidding me? This country’s foundation is on the shoulders of people who pulled themselves up by their bootstraps. Do know how many people are success stories despite their background?”

I am sure there are more people who haven`t made it because of their background, even they have worked very very hard, than people who pulled up themselves and who made it.
It is easy to say socialism is not good in general and it just make people lazy. But it is possible to establish a good welfare system where people are still motivated to work, feel responsible for themselves and so on.

Marcus: “From a Darwinian perspective, there will always be winners and losers. The sooner we accept that and work to do the right thing despite this fact, the better off we all will be!”

I don’t know what to say…We are humans not animals ! You should always keep in mind, today you might be a “winner” because you are healthy, you can have a comfortable life and can afford what you want to buy. But as I said you before you could get ill or lose everything. Then your 400 pairs of shoes and tons of clothes wouldn’t help you ! But a universal health care system and other support by the government would.

I was thinking as I listened to the second half of the show. What proof is there that this guy is Republican - other than his word. Any receipts for contributions made to the Republican Party?

I got the distinct Jerry Springer feel that maybe he just wanted to be on the show in a benign “controversial” way. The wig thing made me think attention seeker.

If it’s not evident by his comments, I don’t know what to tell you.

Wow…I just came back to this comment thread after a few days away. Work it OUT, Feast of Fools.

And Marcus — you’ve got my love. :) I respect that you’re on here standing up for yourself. We’d disagree on a lot, but it’s nothing personal. You keep doin’ what you’re doin’!

Up by the bootstraps - like all the corporate giveaways, write-offs, tax incentives, freebies? Like big pharma writing the Medicare Part D bill and making themselves a nice chunk of change? Like big oil writing the energy bill? Yep - great examples of people pulling themselves up by the bootstraps. The American Dream.

As for the American Dream fantasy that all people need to do is work hard and they will get ahead. Tell that to the millions of folks who are working two and three jobs - and getting behind, losing their homes, losing their savings…. Their hard work and determination is not enough.

A state that is humane provides assistance to those who need it, helps everyone get and stay employed, does not allow people to have no health care, no food… A just state recognizes that when one suffers, we all do…

Republican policies are absolutely antithetical to the idea of government providing support and help - their goal is to essentially drown social welfare type policies and programs in the bathtub… See Hurricane Katrina for a wonderful example of Republican policy and program in action. See New Orleans 3 years later for an update.

You can argue all you want about the American Dream being a fantasy, but the definition of a fantasy is a supposition based on no solid evidence. The fact that a lot of people have not realized their dreams should not diminish the countless people who’s dreams have been realized because of the possibilities that only this country can provide. With all the problems this country has it still is one of the best places in the world to be a woman, ethnic, or a person who has alternative views on religion, politics or power.

It is simply not fair to assign Republicans to a party who does not provide support or help. This is so far from the truth. I invite you to do your research. For example, look at what Bush as done for AIDS in Africa with the help of Bono. Truly unprecedented. This country helps nations all around the world, so don’t tell me Republicans are antithetical to the idea of helping and support. That is outrageous!

On a lighter note. Some of you were inquiring about the products I mentioned on the show. If you go to my myspace page, http://www.myspace.com/markthaynes I have started a blog that provides information about the products I use. I’ve started with YSL, Touche Eclat. For those who do not want to spend the money, I have provided the cheaper alternative that is comparable.

http://www.myspace.com/markthaynes

Oh by the way Purple Puddle Nut (wrote: “Absinthe is ILLEGAL in the United States.”)

Absinthe IS now legal in the U.S. since 2007.

“That thujone itself was present only in the smallest amounts and that it’s the combination of Wormwood along with other herbs such as hyssop and calamus which create the drink’s notable characteristic of mystically lucid clarity. After much legal wrangling demonstrating this data to the FDA, the government overturned the ban with set stipulations that the thujone would remain at a low 10 parts per million.”

Marcus is a find, that’s for sure. I really do appreciate him coming here, and this show sparking a great discussion on what it means to be an Amercian, our economy and hopes for Universal Health Care.

And don’t forget guyliner Faustos! If we can’t agree on politics we can at least all agree to look prettier! Muah!!! I love you guys! Thanks for all your comments!

Fausto are you asleep at the wheel or is Marcus a plant/hoax? You are really gonna tell that Bush has done anything to alleviate the AIDS epidemic in Africa. Really? Faith based inititatives. Abstinence only programs that totally ignore the patriarchal nature of sexual power dynamics. All sarcasm aside, what Bush has done for AIDS in Africa should offend you to your very core.

TrickyToro,

I cannot believe how wrong you are on so many levels. Where are you pulling these claims from? I have a guess…..

Please research the facts before you open you mouth.

Ever since President Bush launched his Millennium Challenge Account for African development (March 2002) and his $15 billion Emergency Plan for AIDS relief (January 2003), I’ve been arguing – to the consternation and apparent dismay of almost all who bothered to listen - that Bush has done more (and offers the best solutions) to help Africans than any other world leader in modern history. Yet, one would be hard-pressed to find any politician in America (who is not a Republican), Europe or Africa who has publicly acknowledged this revolutionary and salutary fact.

Well, since rock stars and actors have become the more credible statesmen of our time, perhaps their endorsement of my argument will inspire Bush’s die-hard critics to suspend their pathological hatred of him and show due regard for his leadership on aid to Africa.

Rock star and acclaimed humanitarian Sir Bob Geldof: President Bush is a bloody hero to Africa - no matter what ungrateful Africans, jealous Europeans or stupid Americans say!

In this respect, Live 8 organizer Sir Bob Geldof - perhaps the most recognized, informed and passionate campaigner for African relief and sustainable development – has been most adamant and complimentary of Bush’s efforts.

And, in an interview published in the 27 June 2005 issue of TIME magazine, Geldof echoes my frustrating attempts to disabuse critics of their ignorance and political biases concerning Bush’s support for Africa with the following remarks:

America doesn’t have a lack of empathy; they just don’t know the issues as well. Actually, today I had to defend the Bush Administration in France again. They refuse to accept, because of their political ideology, that he has actually done more than any American President for Africa. But it’s empirically so.

But this is not Geldof’s first public declaration of support for or defense of Bush’s policies on Africa. In fact, more than two years ago he joined a small chorus of AIDS activists who were beginning to comment on the stark differences in the amount of funds allocated by liberal President Clinton and Bush to fight AIDS. The lead vocalist in this regard was Melvin Foote, executive director of the nonpartisan constituency for Africa, who observed that “[Bush’s] $15 billion commitment is unparalleled….Clinton offered $300 million, parking-meter money, even though he knew it was a tremendous challenge.” And, in this context, Geldof harmonized his views as follows:

Clinton talked the talk and did diddly squat, whereas Bush doesn’t talk but does deliver….You’ll think I’m off my trolley when I say this, but the Bush administration is the most radical, in a positive sense, in the approach to Africa since Kennedy.

The President and the rock star Bono - The odd couple amongst famous missionaries for the African cause

Rock star Bono, perhaps the most visible member of this chorus, has been diplomatic though no less adamant in his acknowledgement of Bush’s leadership:

I believe the president is sincere in his convictions to put America up front in a way that hasn’t been done before on these issues….If the Millennium Challenge Account and the AIDS initiative go through, we have to be prepared to really stand up and applaud this president’s leadership because it is potentially life changing and life saving for millions of people.

But not to be drowned out by rock stars, actor and AIDS activist Richard Gere became an apostate within the ranks of Clinton’s Hollywood worshippers in 2003 when he stunned the audience at an AIDS benefit - at which Senator Hillary Clinton was guest of honor - by delivering this daring and now notorious line:

Senator Clinton, I’m sorry, your husband did nothing for AIDS for eight years.

Impolite, but relatively true!

Now, I can’t imagine anyone will ever accuse Geldof, Bono or Gere of being right-wing nuts or converts to Bush’s Forest Gump crusade to transform the world according to his notions of democracy. Therefore, where my assertions on this point have been summarily dismissed, perhaps their praise of Bush will help his detractors appreciate the importance of being earnest when it comes to recognizing those who are truly helping the poor.

After all, oppressed and starving Africans couldn’t care any less how anyone feels about Bush’s war in Iraq or his apparent lack of concern about global warming. Moreover, the only thing that should matter to anyone concerned about their plight is that Bush is providing the most aid whilst insisting that African rulers treat their people humanely and stop hording national resources for their personal use.

Finally, it is understandable that the imperious French would be averse to the utterance of anything positive about Bush’s leadership – especially on matters involving the African continent where they retain delusions of colonial noblesse oblige. But it is incomprehensible that so many African leaders and their political enablers in America (from carping liberal politicians to conscientious academics like Jeffery Sachs) seem as impervious as the French are to Bush’s unprecedented generosity (and compassion).

But perhaps Geldof’s endorsement will help them see that their visceral political prejudices are blinding them to (and making them resentful of) the moral and political authority Bush has earned when it comes to global strategies to cure Africa’s ills and make poverty history. And, this recognition is especially critical when one considers the improbability of European leaders following through on their grand G8 Plan for Africa (a $55 billion package) when they can’t even agree on a budget to fund the operations of the EU.

Therefore, even though liberals clearly begrudge the fact that Bush is not only Africa’s most generous patron but also its most reliable supporter, it behooves them to put up or shut up and just give the man his due!

That last article was from Anthony L Hall.

Also take a look at the Drop the Debt Campaign which Bush and Bono worked to get passed. Regardless, what political affiliations you have, facts are facts. I just can’t believe how you can completely ignore reality because of your disdain for my party. Unbelievable. Why is it that I am able to recognize all the good things that Democrats have done, acknowledge the wrongdoings of my party and work to try to do the right thing together, but so many Liberals cast stones, blame and bitch and totally ignore the facts. For what gain?

Face it, both parties have made egregious mistakes but the only way we can improve our country and the world is to work together!

I want to be clear that I criticize President Bush for ALOT of things he has done while in office but it makes me want to gnash my teeth to powder when I hear misinformed people say that he has done nothing for AIDS in Africa. Uggggg. You should be ashamed of yourself with that comment.

As I said on the show, he has spent money like a Democrat since he has been in office, including TRIPLING the aid to Africa not only for AIDS but another HUGE problem Malaria.

Know the facts!

PEPFAR II (2009 to 2013) is doing something very different in Africa than it is on the hill in DC. Bush has insisted that funding be kept at its current size—in fact, flat-funded every year for the next five years. In his 2008 Budget Request he made a request of $5.77 billion for global HIV/AIDS, TB and malaria programs, $4.97 billion coming from the foreign operations account and $792 million from Labor, Health and Human Services. This is a net increase of $977 million over levels approved for fiscal 2007 in the continuing resolution. However, all $300 million requested by the President for the Global Fund to Fight AIDS, TB and Malaria is in the Labor-H budget, meaning that this funding will have to compete with all money for domestic AIDS and other domestic poverty-related programs, de-emphasizing the importance of the global pandemic and the Global Fund itself. As it stands the Senate Budget Committee cut $2.2 billion from the President’s requested increase.

A number of members of Congress, including Senator Biden and a number of members of the House, are on record supporting a much higher figure, $50 billion, and the reason being is that we need to include many more things in this program in order to be effective. We need to support healthcare system strengthening. We need to do more on TB and malaria. We need to do more to help orphans and vulnerable children. And with enough support, African countries can use those resources effectively.

What of the earmarks that requires a certain amount of money be spent on abstinence-only programming? These kinds of earmarks leave women and girls unable to protect themselves from HIV/AIDS and other sexually transmitted infections, and leaves everyone with a lack of knowledge that could save their lives and the lives of others.

Family planning does little for women with 5+ children who dont have control over their own bodies. When a woman goes to an HIV/AIDS clinic for her HIV/AIDS treatment or for treatment to prevent the transmission of the virus to her newborn when in labor, The Bush administration has said under no circumstances should she get those kinds of services. She should go elsewhere, some other clinic, some other place.

Lastly I urge everyone to watch a film by Population Action International which can be viewed on the Global AIDS Alliance website.

Title: Abstaining from Reality

Synopsis: US Restrictions on HIV Prevention, which tells the story of a young Kenyan woman, Juliet Awuor, who contracted HIV/AIDS and became pregnant because she and her boyfriend did not know the proper way to use condoms. Juliet’s baby subsequently contracted HIV and died. Filmed in Kenya and Uganda, Abstaining from Reality demonstrates the grave consequences of the US government’s abstinence-only approach to HIV prevention. In particular, the film explores how the ideologically driven programs of the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief fail to address the realities of women’s lives—realities that put them at disproportionate risk of HIV/AIDS. The film urges a balanced, comprehensive approach to HIV infection that provides full, accurate information and offers a range of services that empower individuals to make informed decisions.

http://www.globalaidsalliance.org/voices/voices_of_women/

November 2006. A report released by the Center for Public Integrity examines PEPFAR. The report, titled “Divine Intervention,” is the result of a year-long investigation and is the first of its kind to examine the policies, politics and goals of the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief known as PEPFAR. The center worked with reporters in eight countries In a joint investigation with the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists. They found that PEPFAR’s faith-based ideology–including promotion of abstinence–often trumps science. The report states, “PEPFAR is failing to stop the global spread of AIDS and failing to help lead the world to stop this deadly disease. Instead of empowering people we are restricting them. We have a flawed framework with flawed policies.”

Key Findings:

In 2003, President George W. Bush asked Congress to appropriate $15 billion for an international AIDS initiative, the President’s Emergency Plan for AIDS Relief (PEPFAR) — a plan that, while seeking to treat those infected with HIV/AIDS and prevent the spread of the disease, is hindered by conservative ideologies.

In a joint investigation with the International Consortium of Investigative Journalists, the Center for Public Integrity found that PEPFAR actually restricts the use of funds because of its ties to faith-based organizations that promote abstinence-only programs and overlook the importance of other courses of action such as condom use.

Read the full report here: http://www.publicintegrity.org/projects/entry/284/

You can spout off all the liberal demagoguery you wish. The facts remain that we have provided more funding than any past president. Funny how you completely ignored the fact that Clinton did ZERO, NADA to help in comparison to Bush. Your claims about PEPFAR’s ideology confounds the actual benefits that have come from our investment in Africa.

The fact that you still ignore what we have given makes me ill and it is clear that you are sooooo left that you are ignorant to reality. You can always point to how our contributions have been hindered but the fact still remains that we have done more for the cause than any other country and any other president. It is the oldest debate trick in the book to single out specific examples of how someone got turned away or how the system has failed someone to try and discredit the overall benefit. Again, unbelievable! You need to think more big picture my friend. Sorry but you are DEAD wrong on this one!